HADES, AVALANCHE, & MORE... got quality wood on an impromptu trip to Wisconsin Dells

Dude, there is a difference between telling you you are wrong and calling you a liar. You're acting like a little kid.

Given the previous discussion in this thread and your obvious inability to grasp simple concepts, facts, and the truth I have no desire to continue this discussion.

From the book of First CCI, Chapter three, verse 4:

And then the heavens parted and look! A flame of fire in the midst of a woodie. And RavenTTD looked and behold, the woodie burned with fire, and the woodie was not consumed.

And RavenTTD said, I will now turn aside, and see this great sight, why the woodie is not burnt.

And a voice from the flame spaketh unto thine launched-woodie named dork, sayething, "Pull thy head from out thine backside. Everyone already spake that these FRIGGIN COASTERS WERE DESIGNED FOR TWO TRAINS GAAHHHHHH!!!!!!!"

I wonder if that would be convincing enough before you'd say, oopsie. Guess I had it wrong.

-CO

Is that next verse the one that claims Hades tops out at 75 MPH?

RavenTTD,

You're needed in the other thread about Magnum sinking.

Ok, boys... everybody please go to their corners and chill out!

;)

The whole point of this thread / trip report was to give impressions about Hades, Avalanche, and the other great wooden coasters Wisconsin Dells has to offer. If a 2nd train is added to Hades next year, all the better - but I see no reason to squabble about it now.

From what I could see during my brief visit, it seems feasible that a transfer-track could be added to the brake run, before the little roll-in to the station.

(here is a photo of the brake run, right next to the station)

http://www.djgreghaus.com/random/hades6-05-1.jpg

Ultimately, it doesn't really matter right now, as nothing will change this season as far as this is concerned, so why not just enjoy this brilliant ride for what it has to offer now?

From what many of you have been saying, it seems that Mt. Olympus is still figuring things out during this transitional period. If they need to make a 2nd train happen, I suppose the park will find a way, and from the looks of things (and this is just a friendly 'opinion', not the word of someone 'in the know'), it is very, very likely.

Ok - so anyone else have any opinions about the rides themselves... or the parks in general?

First off, I must be one of the few who didn't think hades was all that great. Granted it wasn't a bad ride, it just wasn't great. To me, many portions of the track were painful, and not that fun. But there were some portions that were really good (pre-lift). The tunnel was neat, butnearly all that I noticed was the train bumping around (note this wasn't painful, but it was the only real forces that I could notice). It was the post tunnel section that I though was somewhat painful. Though it wasn't all that bad, but not as good as what I consider many GCI coasters. I would say that it is a top 20 wooden coaster, but no way would be one of my top 10 coasters. Avalance on the other had is awesome. So smooth, so fast, and air time filled. I would say that it is one of the few coasters out there that is fun-filled all of the way through. I can't wait to see what other crazy coasters that S&S can create (BTW Powderkeg was quite the fun ride...I even enjoyed that more than Hades).

Now as for the transfer track, who is to say that they couldn't do some sliding track, such as what Legen, the Beast and Millennium Force have? By making the dip between the brake run and the station slide, they could really make the storage track go in any direction that they wanted with out much work at all.

Greg, nice TR. I'm mad that you guys (Esp. Rob & Moosh) got to ride Hades. I heard it will be getting a second train next year.

Keep the TRs coming:).

I had a conversation about this train issue at the park last weekend, but if everyone is hearing something different, I guess I am wrong and this is good news. I’m sorry for losing my temper on this thread. Differences of opinion and debate are par for the course on this board, but it should never get personal.

It's alright RavenTTD. I won't hold it against you unless you start up again about it not being planned. And you're right...it should never get personal.

Personal? I ain't seen nobody talk about anybody's momma. :)

Glad to hear everybody is getting along. Thrillerman, I never suggested your reporting is not accurate. I'm spectulating why the coaster didn't open with two trains, and that it may have to do with larger plans for the park. Also curious if anyone else got the impression Mt. Olympus has some ambitious plans for the future. That's all I was curious about.

I think Hades is great wether is has is one train or six, lights or no lights in the tunnel. Its an ambitious, one of a kind attraction built for an independent park. That should be honored.

Incidentally, where does a forum topic go when it dissappears? Did this topic go away for anyone else? *** Edited 6/29/2005 9:09:51 PM UTC by rc-madness***

Nick does have ambitious plans for the park. I'm not sure about what's in store exactly, but he wants to add more coasters. A few years ago after Zeus was built, he told several of us that he eventually wanted to have seven coasters. That's pretty ambitious planning to say the least.

rc-madness, I quoted most of your post above because you commented on several things that I wanted to clarify. The biggest being how there should never be any dead spots or slowdowns on coasters....ever. To an extent that is true, but those places do help with pacing the ride. Think of it like a good story or a movie. Sometimes the best part are set up and you don't expect it.

The engineer/designer I was referring to that commented about too many enthusiasts rating coasters by how much they get tossed about rather than looking at and/or appreciating all the subtle nuances that are built into a ride is essentially right...especially when it comes to wood. I've talked with too many enthusiasts that think that way. Ironically though, that conversation became the catalyst for Rob, Millrace, and I (as well as a few others who don't post here) to found the WCFC. Many have spun it into the *we hate steel* category, which I assure everyone that is not the case. I wouldn't want to be part of it if that was true.

If they count the robocoaster, they are at 7 now. 4 woodies, the kiddie, the watercoaster, and the robo.

I knew he was close if the watercoaster is included, but are those robo-thingy's really a coaster? I've never ridden one, and they look more like a robotic arm than a true coaster.

RavenTTD, check your PM's

I don't have any new PM's and I agree they are not real coasters, but the question is if Nick is counting it or not. Keep in mind he is not a coaster geek like us (probably) so he might be counting it since it has coaster in the name.

I'm not a coaster geek, I'm a *wood* coaster geek! Lets make that clear. ;)

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rc-madness said: Incidentally, where does a forum topic go when it dissappears? Did this topic go away for anyone else?

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Topics disappear from the front page when others become active... is that what you are referring to?

To see older topics, click on the "Active Forum Topics" or "Forum" link, then either "Trip Reports", "General Buzz", or whatever other category the topic may have been posted in. You can still find older topics, but they are only listed on the front page if it is new, or if someone posted a reply recently.

Hope that helps...

-G

How long have the waits been for Hades on weekends so far in September?

Bill