Gwazi gets GCI Millennium Flyer train(s)

CoasterDemon said:
As far as enthusiasts bitching to bitch, well - I have my bitches and always will...

Which is exactly what gets me. The more 'hardcore' the enthusiast, the more it seems like they spend all their time complaining and the more hardcore you get, the more trivial the complaining gets.

I hope I never get to the point where I 'enjoy' coasters that much. I just like to ride once in a while. :)

I like to ride a lot, do I complain about parks that much? I always though I complained about complainers more.

I guess that's better than bitching about bitches... ;)

Well, I got 99 problems but not one of those.

Lord Gonchar said:

CoasterDemon said:
As far as enthusiasts bitching to bitch, well - I have my bitches and always will...

Which is exactly what gets me. The more 'hardcore' the enthusiast, the more it seems like they spend all their time complaining and the more hardcore you get, the more trivial the complaining gets.

I hope I never get to the point where I 'enjoy' coasters that much. I just like to ride once in a while. :)

I think we can all be a little 'hardcore' - just hardcore about different stuff maybe?

^I hope you don't get to that point either, Gonch. You are fine just the way you are - it's nice for everyone to keep their own personalities. As much as I like my own opinions, it would be boring around here if everyone agreed with me.

kpjb said:
I haven't experienced that either, but then again I always pull the bars down until they actually touch my lap in the first place.

But on Millennium Flyers, you don't have to pull the bars down. When the operators release the restraints in the station, they will fall onto you. You can catch them and ease them down, but there is absolutely no way to keep those heavy bars from lowering onto your lap. Then, the restraints are never locked into position, they're just prevented from ratcheting upwards, and there's no comfortable way to avoid that constant "pressing down" feeling that they provide throughout the entire ride.

So I guess what I'm saying is...unless you carry around a box of magic springs in your pocket, I can't understand how you don't find the MF lapbars a nuisance. ;)

I've never had them really 'pressing' down on me, honestly. But, I really don't think they're all that heavy either.

Perhaps those that don't like the MF bars have just not enough mass that they are at that spot where the bar clicks one time too many to the point that they can't move, and those that don't have a problem with them (myself included) have just enough mass that the bar doesn't quite get to that last stapling click, thus having enough play to be comfortable. Logical?

^Hmmm.. Makes me think. I have been thinking - if I could manage to loose a few, with a goal if getting back into shape, I think MOST coasters would be more comfortable!

But thinking about the lap bar issue, when I was in top shape and lean, the PTC ratchet bars were still a pain, and got tighter during the ride ... just not as comfortable as the old ones. Same goes for new Intamin trains - those old Anton/Intamin box cars are to die for! Excellent...

Vater said:
Perhaps those that don't like the MF bars have just not enough mass that they are at that spot where the bar clicks one time too many to the point that they can't move, and those that don't have a problem with them (myself included) have just enough mass that the bar doesn't quite get to that last stapling click, thus having enough play to be comfortable. Logical?

Logical, yes, but that's not the problem. When the lap bar has ratcheted down into my lap as far as it will go (the only reason it can't go any further is because my body is in the way), I am still able to lift it up a bit. My problem is that I have to physically lift the bar off my lap to have any breathing room, because if I didn't, it would continue to press down onto me.

How about an analogy? You are standing between two friends. Your friend on the right (PTC) puts his arm on your shoulder, just to rest it a bit. Your friend on your left (MF) puts his arm on your shoulder and then leans on it, having you carry his body weight.

Based on this situation alone, which friend would you appreciate more?

Depends... is one of them a hottie?

+1 ^

I have had the bars the come down tight mid-ride and make it very uncomfortable for me (hard to breath at times), but that was when I was 50 pounds lighter. Now, the bar can't lower anymore than one click on me, so it's never a problem. Like many things some of us "bitch about", it's very dependent on the rider's physical dimensions. Just because it doesn't affect you doesn't mean we're exaggerating or even making up that it affects us.

Right, and just because it affects you doesn't mean it affects everyone else. I don't doubt that this affects Dan, but it apparently doesn't affect everyone, me included.

^Right, and I can understand that. I just wanted to explain as thoroughly as I could where I'm (we're) coming from, because they really are a problem for many people, and I resent being referred to as someone who is complaining just because there's nothing better to do.

And I knew someone would say that, kpjb. ;)

Tekwardo said:
Right, and just because it affects you doesn't mean it affects everyone else. I don't doubt that this affects Dan, but it apparently doesn't affect everyone, me included.

Or even enough people for it to be a problem that a manufacturer would remotely care about.

"Eventually enough people will complain that they'll have to change back. Like virtual queuing and Disney gate prices."

DantheCoasterman said:
So are you denying that those heavy lap bars constantly press down on your lap, getting tighter and tighter as the ride goes along?

What's to deny? I'm not making anything up. It's what actually happens.

DantheCoasterman said:
When the operators release the restraints in the station, they will fall onto you.

Wait, wait, wait. So what you're telling me is that the lap bar touches your lap, and the restraint restrains you? That's crazy! No wonder enthusiasts are whiney bitches about this. It's like they know better and don't need restraints at all!

Seriously, you make the silliest argument possible. My legs aren't made of foam, so where ever the lap bar lands, that's pretty much where it stays for the entire ride. Is something different supposed to happen? Of course, I'm the guy who pulls the seatbelt as tight as humanly possible on Magnum, so what do I know?

Jeff said:
Seriously, you make the silliest argument possible. My legs aren't made of foam, so where ever the lap bar lands, that's pretty much where it stays for the entire ride. Is something different supposed to happen? Of course, I'm the guy who pulls the seatbelt as tight as humanly possible on Magnum, so what do I know?

Yes. The lap bars could hold themselves up off of you a bit so that you can actually enjoy the ride with room to breath, like on...oh, I don't know...almost every other wooden coaster train in the world. I can't stand Magnum's lap bars for the same reason.

I get it: you don't care to have a restraint pressing firmly against you for the entire ride. That's fine. But some of us do care, and the fact that you disagree doesn't make our argument "silly."

But I'm willing to stop talking about it if you are. ;)

Frankly, I don't blame a manufacturer for wanting to make sure the lapbar is always in its tightest possible position. Trusting both operators and riders 100% of the time to make sure the lapbar is in an effective position is impossible.

I wouldn't mind sacrificing a bit of comfort for a handful of people if it means preventing accidents.