Guys like this is why parks shouldn't be babysitters...

FF said, " I would go ballistic if I knew some idiot was filming my kids..."

I'd be homicidal, not sure what would stop me...to tell the truth.

I think this guy needs help more than he needs punishment. Demonizing these folks will just make it harder for those who want and need help to get it.

If the guy needs help then we can start by having Lorena Bobbit start by doing some handiwork on the guy!
And when you exploit kids sexually it should be a lifetime of punishment, of course the lifte time should be very short once they are caught!

I had something happen to me awhile back about kid porn. My wife had taken some pics of my 3 year old daughter and my 10 month old son in the bath tub. So really cute pics with them playing with little duckies and Mr.bubble on the head things like that. There was no frontal nudity in the pics only one pic of my little girls butt as she was running down the hall after getting outta of the tub. So anyways my wife tells my to pick up the pics on my way home from work. So I get to the store and ask for the pics and the lady gets this really alarmed look on her face and says it will be just one minute please wait. So I'm waiting and waitng and waiting when all of a sudden the cops come busting into the rite aide and say "Don't move you Son of a Bit*h". I looking shocked as hell like are they talking to me, it was about 6 of them. The run up slam me to the floor and saying your going down you child porn making POS. I'm like what the F&*&$ are you talking about, they're all like don't play dumb you stupid muthaf*&&ker, sick SOB and start reading me my rights. The people in the photo part of the rite aide comes giving the cops what they were claiming to be the evidence. So I'm like you F*&*king idots those are my children and none of them are porn. One of the cops actually took that stick they carry and jabbed it into my stomach which seam like with all his force and said you Fu*king lier those kids are mixed race and they are not yours. After trying to catch my breath back after having it knock outta me I was bearly able to say my Wife is black a&&hole(I'm white kids mixed race). So they're all like yeah whatever drags me out of the store literaly, throws me into the car and take me down to the station. Once I get to the station they throw me into this little holding cell, I swear the gathered every cop in the station to come down and call me every bad name in the book, threats of how I'd be tore apart once I was sent to prison. One of them was even so inraged he begin to literaly bit*h slap me, I swear before any cop moved to stop him the man had hit me about 100 times it seamed like. They finally let me out of the holding cell and let me call my attorney and my wife. The get to the station the cops see my wife is black and their jaws drop, but still insisted I was making child porn and now my wife was involved, they didn't arrest here though. I post bail went to court and was cleared and I'm taking the police department to court for the horrible way they handle the situation.

I agree preverts that look at and tape kids and molest them should pay with nothing less then Death, I just want the cops to make sure it's proven before then started givng the person their sentence.

Unfortunately, your situation is not unique from what I've seen on one of the talkshows. There's taking pictures of your kids in a bathtub and then there's having kids engaging in sexual activity who clearly aren't at the age for it. For some reason, some people just don't get the difference. It's yet another example of political correctness gone wrong. As a society, we are making child pornography grow instead of contract. People who might not otherwise be tempted are using the internet to fulfill their fantasies. You've got video cameras that can be hidden anywhere and monitored from a different location. In Baltimore, they're installing Police cameras all over the place. What's to keep the police from using them for the wrong reasons, say to peek into someone's window? Lastly, we've got the ever familiar cell phone which many people have. At the last concert I was at, half the audience had their phone up in the air taking pictures. Again, the camera phone is another device that is stripping away any sense of privacy.

Interesting, Intamin. Recently, I had to go to a certain county building in PA for business. In addition to the usual security walk throughs, I was told I had to surrender my cell phone because it was a camera phone. I hadn't even given it a second thought because I seldom use the camera, plus I don't really have an idea what I could possibly photograph that could be so "sensitive."

But it is nice to know that the government is protecting its privacy and security, average citizens are having both threatened at the same time.

Whatever happened to the concepts of repentance and foregiveness?

Granted, I don't have kids and I don't think it's okay to exploit kids sexually, but why are we so quick to want to blame, demonize, and punish other people rather than trying to help them? Is the assumption that people are unable to repent?

Everyone makes their own mistakes and everyone needs to be forgiven.

Repentance is between the person asking for it and their God.

It has been proven in many studies (here is one report) that pedophilia has an unusually high percentage of recidivism, despite behavoral treatment and analysis.

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Whatever happened to the concepts of repentance and foregiveness

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I'm going to try that line on my next speeding ticket. ;)

There a whiny feelgood saying that goes something like, "That's why pencils have erasers" to which I like to reply, "I always use a pen." :)

I guess I'm more of the "You screw up, you pay" mindset.

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redman822 said:

It has been proven in many studies (here is one report) that pedophilia has an unusually high percentage of recidivism, despite behavoral treatment and analysis.

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I don't doubt that for a second, which is why I think better treatment rather than locking someone up is the correct solution.

Building more jails certainly hasn't solved our other crime problems...
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Pedophiles certainly are very *resistant* to treatment, and even medication has proven mostly ineffective...and honestly they have no regard for the gender of the child...

The fact is that we don't live in the same country as the Cleavers did, and PARENTS are the first best line of defense against predatory adults....

Think about it--even Gonch, who tends to be on the 'oh come on, nobody really cares' side of the fence, draws the line here. An immediate, very hard and fast line.

It's the most basic, hardwired, ingrained instinct we have to protect our young. Pop out an youngun and it will all make sense. Very quickly.

-'Playa

Thats just desterbing, I dont know its grose

Yeah, you don't mess with a kid. No excuses.

My views were made pretty clear here.

I'm all for the "eye for an eye" punishment system (for all things) - kill someone, get killed; rape someone, get raped; steal something, have equivalent value taken from you.

Barabaric, but effective.

I am just way too compassionate towards people.

I believe a person can not simply be evil. It's possible that pedos are mentally ill. They deserve help; some kind of cure, not death, imho.

Of course I would want to kill a person who did something like this to any kid I know, but then I would be no better than the kidraper. Two wrongs...

What I don't understand is how is a video/photo of a fully clothed girl in a public place considered porn? I'm not defending this guy and I understand he has a history, but am I to understand that if I take a picture and some 16 y/o is in the shot I can be charged with taking pornographic photos of a minor? I have two teenaged daughters and I wouldn't freak out about them getting photographed unless it was in a place they could expect some privacy, like a restroom.

It's not considered porn, but it was mentioned that he zoomed in on certain areas of her body which made the video inappropriate. Since he had a history and was banned from the park for making similar videos in the past I'm sure it was taken much more seriously.

Read the article a little closer, Rescue131.

It's one thing if you or I are filming at the park and by the nature of that filming capture images of underage children in the shot.

Its a whole different thing when a man who was essentially warned last year for questionable video taking and who is known to have child porn on his PC is at the park filming close-ups of a 15 year old's crotch.

You really wouldn't have a problem with your children being filmed under the latter circumstances?

...And this is what bothers me. It's getting to the point where you have to be really careful when you are taking perfectly innocent photographs. Digital and video photography probably helps, since if anybody gets suspicious or upset you can show them the shot.

On looking at the whole story, I can't complain too much about this particular case. But Rescue131 has an excellent point. That's all about a place where I really don't want to see our society go. Let me tell you a story: I was leaving Playland (Vancouver, BC, CA) when I was stopped by the park security detail. My offense? I'd been taking photographs of kid rides. My response: There were kids on those rides?! :) Well, yes, there were, but I don't think there was any problem with my photo. Here, see for yourself. I don't think even Lord Gonchar would have any problem with that photo.

There is no place in our civil society for pedophiles. That's a decision that our community has made; as a group we have decided that it's unacceptable. But at the same time, we have to be careful not to assume the worst of just anybody. Look at westcoaster_man's story in this thread. He didn't deserve the kind of treatment he got, and that level of paranoia is well beyond necessary or appropriate.

--Dave Althoff, Jr.

I know all about the photo thing as well. I get funny looks all the time when I'm shooting anything around kids areas or waterparks.

To ease the situation, I'm lucky enough to have kids, so I often take my shots when they're on the ride. But people do immediately assume the worst when you pull out a camera and start taking pics in either of those situations - especially if you're just wandering the park alone. (which I do at times)

I even agree that it's a very fine line to walk with the whole siutation in general, but when a guy got warned about it before, was found to have underage porn on his PC and then gets caught again filming a young girl and review of the tape shows (and I quote), "The video zoomed into different areas of the girl's body" - then how much leeway do you give?

I mean, does anyone really think the approach taken with this guy was out of line? If so, then...just ewwwww!