Guests turned away from Cedar Point's Millennium Force

Are you kidding? Only I am allowed to wear them. You're free to stare all you want. ;)

"I just want to know what would happen to their love for small parks (the usual retort to one of those statements) if the one or two coasters at said small park were not taken away, but just made off-limits and sat there mocking them."

If every single coaster at Knoebels were closed I'd still enjoy my day there. I have the Flyers, Haunted Manions, flume, Fascination, Whipper, Dodgems, and a slew of other rides to keep me busy.

Impulsive - you're right, I don't understand how you feel and it was not my intention to offend you or anyone who can't survive a day at Cedar Point without Millennium Force. I'm sorry I offended you.

mOOSH - who wonders what the hundreds of millions of people who visited Cedar Point prior to 2000 did for fun.

*** This post was edited by Mamoosh 5/20/2004 2:55:12 PM ***

They didn't know the thrill of going 93 mph after an 80-whatever degree drop then maintaining speed and floating in the air for another minute thirty. Therefore, they were content with what existed.

Brett - who wonders why the argument isn't universal if it really applies, so wonders why people don't say "oh well, we got along without it before" when the power goes out ...

For those that were commenting on the slack issue...

I have a feeling that slack will be determined much as it is on Xcellerator at Knotts. On that ride the belt is checked by pulling on the loose end. You may be able to connect the belt and not ride, which almost happened to me. Luckily it was something else in the way that once moved created enough "slack" for me to ride. The standard I was told was that there had to be two inches of loose belt from the buckle. They would tug at it if it wasnt there and if the tug failed to create that two inches of slack than you would not be riding...

All I have to say is if you can fit in Millennium Forces seat and have the seat belt and lap bar lock then you should be able to ride. How I view it is if I am on the ride and the ride op comes and makes sure might back is against the seat and that my belt and lap bar are tight then I shouldn’t be able to go anywhere. I have to say Millennium Force and all the other rides were always safe because the ride ops would make sure your secure so it shouldn’t have to change. Hopefully they get this straightened out soon before there are many unhappy guest.

Are there any Europeans here who can comment on how the operation of Ge-Force and Goliath has changed since Hydro/Superman's accidents?

Moosh, it is not about a coaster being down. I am sure many feel discriminated against. What if CP passed a rule that said you could not ride Magnum, Wild Cat, and Blue Streak because you are you, but everyone else could ride, and that you should be happy because they still have 13 more coasters, and you are a coaster enthusiast and can enjoy the park experience, part of which was everyone but you enjoying your favorite rides? What would it be like if parks could pass rules against mentally challenged people riding their rides since a couple have jumped out in the past?

By the way, does anyone know if that claim above about the PP accident involving the woman being ripped in half is true? I have not heard that before and it sounds hard to believe.

Brett - It is a univeral argument. Living without power would be an inconvenience but not an impossibility, considering people surived without it for thousands of years. If every park in the world were to cease to exist I'd be pretty bummed but it wouldn't be the end of my world. This is, afterall, just a hobby.

I appreciate your opinion, it happens to differ from mine but that's OK. I guess we'll just have to agree to disagree and leave it at that ;)

mOOSH

Right, it's not an impossibility to go to Cedar Point without Millennium Force, but for the required drive time and possible hotel costs, my $$$ can be better spent elsewhere.

And I'm not a power enthusiast so perhaps that would give me some room to complain ;)

You people and you're agreeing to disagree ... you people are all way too pacifist; aren't there any good firey Italians to argue with out there? ;)
*** This post was edited by Impulse-ive 5/20/2004 3:43:10 PM ***

Can't you see, this is just one more step towards Cedar Point being turned into the world's first McDonald's themed park. Following the appearence of 2 new McDonald's color schemes on coasters over the past two years, now they're trying to shift their focus to making their customers healthier, just like McDonald's is doing. McDonald's introduces its fitness meals and gets rid of supersize meals, CP tries to persuade riders to lose weight to ride their rides, and in both instances they're doing it to cover their asses (McDonald's getting sued for people's weight problems/CP worrying about accidents with overweight people).

Am I the only person who sees this connection?

(Please note: This post is not intended to offend anyone in any way, just in case somebody wants to take offense to it)

LOL Brett. I guess I'm a lover not a fighter ;)

I've found combining the two results in more of the former ;) But that doesn't really add to the conversation so ... :)

Are they seriously going to restrict "males over the height of 6'2" " on Millennium Force...and possibly all intamins like this in the future? That doesn't sound right.

Well does people falling off the ride sound right?

While I wouldn't be happy if that move was made, even though I can fit on any ride easily, saftey comes first.

Can we assume that if the park starts enforcing the over 6'2" rule, that those of us who would not be able to ride as a result would get a discount of some kind on the entrance fee? I think we all know the answer to that one.

I am all for safety, and anything that lowers the risk of fatalities has to be good, but I have ridden hundreds of coasters. Many have caused me slight injury because of being cramped, small and restricitve in that way, but none have restrained me in a way that I have felt is unsafe.If I can fit in a coaster seat, and the restraints fit safely, then i consider it my personal choice to risk the odd knock on my knees or whatever if it means I can do something I love. Surely, as well as the recent tragedies on rides, part of these new restrictions is down to the sue for anything culture that has grown, and parks are needing to be over cautious with their health and safety rules to minimise the prospects for legal action.

Again, people have no sense at all. The SLACK RULE HAS BEEN IN EFFECT ON MANY RIDES SINCE THEY OPENED. It's not some crazy new thing, get over it!

There's nothing wrong with Intamin's restraints. There's nothing wrong with over weight people ridding (too a limit).

The fact is, op error. Nothing else. While it's unfortunate in the business, people get lazy sometimes and don't check. It's gotta change. And another fact is the parks you see these things happening at don't remind their ops enough how serious their job is.

It's a shame society has made life a full-blown joke, with the punchline as death.

Like anything in life, repetition will eventually wear people out... I know it's not an excuse for the loss of human life but I don't think that you can just tell ride-ops to pay extra close attention to each guest every day of the week. People aren't prefect. I don't really blame anybody because each case is a little different than the other.

the thing that is really upsetting some people, i think, is that CP has not said if they are evern TRYING to RECITFY the problem.

if they would just come out with a statement that said "this season we are doing the seatbelt thing and NEXT season, MF will be retrofitted with NEW restraints, allowing a greater number of our guests to ride."

i have to say, for me, anyways, something like that would make all of this go away. just knowing they are working on a permanent, REAL solution would go a long way!!

Im 6'3, and easily get 3' or so inches of slack on MF, so why should height matter? Id be pretty P'Od if they did that, it wouldnt be fair, because I could fit even with the rule, with extra slack. So if they even start that, there will be a fight, lol.