Girl critical after riding Disney Tower of Terror...

Should every restaurant in America have someone who is licensed in CPR? How about every movie theatre, every gas station, every mall with a simulator? I think you are getting carried away.

Now, I could see placing A.E.D.s strategically throughout the park. That would be a logical step.

Yeah, that'd be great, but you still have to train people to use them.

When you have as many people moving through an amusement park that you to, it's inevetible that Bad Things will happen eventually. Where is the harm in having one person at each major attraction trained in basic life saving so that something can be done to help somebody before the emergency response people get there?

And why not have somebody at every place of busisness trained in CPR? What harm can it do other than save lives?

In the 3+ years that Mission: Space has been open there has been one death. Does that justify the cost of having a trained first responder at the ride 14 hours a day?

Back in February a 77 year old woman died after riding Pirates of the Carribbean. Should there have been a trained first responder there?

How much are you willing to pay for an admission ticket?

Wait...you want a licensed nurse and someone with CPR skills at every ride?

You must be playing RCT too much (I know they don't have those two occupations so don't flame me about that). The costs for that would be INSANE! The price to get into parks would double (if not triple).

Actually, I'm all for ride ops learning CPR during their training, in fact, I think that would be a stellar idea. I've worked at many places where they offer CPR training to people, it really isn't that expensive.

But a nurse is overkill.

AED's are not that complicated. The problem is people are not that familiar with them. That will change as it is a relatively new technology. They will become as commonplace as smoke detectors and fire extinguishers.

When I say have somebody who's trained in basic life saving at every major attraction I mean train crew members. I'm not saying station an EMT at every ride. That'd be silly. And having RNs at coasters? Bad idea. That would just be screaming "our ride isn't safe!"

AEDs, while mostly foolproof, still require some training to use properly. Or at least a runthrough to make people familar with them.

*** Edited 7/12/2005 9:11:36 PM UTC by Michael Darling***

"...On the ride, guests are seated aboard a freight elevator that glides through hotel passageways.

The elevator enters a pitch-black shaft and launches guests skyward unexpectedly. The vehicle then drops 13 stories..."

Not to make light of the situation, but does this reporter honestly believe that the elevator actually "glides" through hallways-- then "enters" its own shaft? Now THAT would be some imagineering. Sometimes I wonder if these reporters and columnists actually read their own stories before they submit them.

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wahoo skipper said:
They will become as commonplace as smoke detectors and fire extinguishers.

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Next time you go into your workplace, ask around and see how many people know the proper method for using a fire extinguisher. Heck, I didnt know the PASS method until I was taught it during my training as a college dorm Resident Advisor.

lata, jeremy

P.S

Pull pin
Aim nozzle at the base of flame
Squeeze lever
Sweep back and forth across the fire

Don't forget RACE

Rescue
Alarm
Contain
Extinguish

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RatherGoodBear said:
"...On the ride, guests are seated aboard a freight elevator that glides through hotel passageways.

The elevator enters a pitch-black shaft and launches guests skyward unexpectedly. The vehicle then drops 13 stories..."

Not to make light of the situation, but does this reporter honestly believe that the elevator actually "glides" through hallways-- then "enters" its own shaft? Now THAT would be some imagineering. Sometimes I wonder if these reporters and columnists actually read their own stories before they submit them.

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Actauly, the ride does go up a few feet, shows a movie, take you up a few more feet, then takes you through a litte track with doors, eyes, and other Twilight Zone things surounding you. Then you see two white lights seperate, and you pass thru them, then it gets warm (cuz your open to outside), then you drop or launch upwards depending on the ride cycle. (Because its random). There are 4 loading station, 2 unloading (I think), 2 towers. Amazing stuff though. *** Edited 7/12/2005 10:00:03 PM UTC by Keith2005***

Why couldn't you have a person trained in 1st Aid/CPR at every ride? It is oh so difficult to get certified. Also with people in such poor health these days - sorry to be blunt but most Americans are fat - it might not be a bad idea to help protect these people in the unlikely event that something might happen.

Who's to say they don't already have a first aid/CPR trained person at most attractions? When I worked at SFoT (10+ years ago), CPR/FA was standard training for leads/foreman, their assistants, and supervisors.

Keith, I know what the ride is like, since I rode it myself. It's just that the way the reporter worded it, it sounds like the ride travels through the entire "hotel", instead of the limited (horizontal) movement the ride actually makes.

bigboy- Disney does not have somebody at every attraction. CPR/Life Saving training is optional for cast members. There just *happened* to be somebody at Mission: Space that was (partially) trained, but it took them several minutes to find said person when the incident happened at that ride.

What I'm saying should happen at *all* parks is what you mentioned was the case at SFoT. Whatever foreman/team lead/supervisor/etc. that is at the ride should be trained in CPR/Life Saving techniques. Those several minutes between when an incident occurs and the medical response team gets there are absolutely critical. Every second counts.

*** Edited 7/13/2005 1:35:41 AM UTC by Michael Darling***

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Keith2005 said:
Its not stated. She could have. You don't know. And the boy on Mission Space could have some condition.

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That's exactly the point we're making... people with these conditions don't know, and unless insurance companies start screaming "free MRI's for everyone!" people aren't going to know. When something like this happens it is indeed very sad, but you still have to chalk it up to "stuff happens." It's a non-event because it happens all of the time in other places. Everyone who went to a big high school has the story about the kid playing basketball that just died while playing. Tekno had a freakin' stroke at 24!

I think there should be someone everywhere who knows CPR. The training takes only a few hours and can save a life. My company requires most of it's employees to know CPR. Still I'm not sure if it's should be a requirement for ride ops.

Actually 2 minutes to start CPR is not too long, though quicker is always better. (Make sure it's required first.)

There are 60,000,000 visits to Disney parks in the US each year. If each visit lasts 8 hours, that's 55,000 years of liviing in the parks each years. Somebody is going to die. Add the heat and exertion and it's even more likely. *** Edited 7/13/2005 3:04:42 AM UTC by Jim Fisher***

Considering the amount of people at Disney, comparable to a larger city in population, death, unfortunately, cna be expected. The rides didn't malfunction in anyway. The people weren't thrown or run over. It seems to be more heart-wrenching since 2 of the 3 are children. As far as the heart attack goes, she could have had many different types of pre-existing conditions. There are some in my family such as Marafans syndrome. I have no idea how to spell it but it affects you connective tissue and heart. Abe Lincoln had it, that is why he was so tall and lanky. The scary part is the expanding root from your aorta, something you would never know about unless you had a series of ultrasounds over a long period of time. As far as the 4 year old. My kids are 5 and 6 and I would not take them on the ride regardless of what the height requirement states. That only allows people so small to ride because there are height-challenged people who are adult an should not be discriminated against. A child though should not endure that force. That is like throwing a baby into its crib instead of placing it down gently. Little kids are not built to tolerate that and it makes me want to choke the mother for even thinking that she would take him on that.

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As far as the 4 year old. My kids are 5 and 6 and I would not take them on the ride regardless of what the height requirement states. That only allows people so small to ride because there are height-challenged people who are adult an should not be discriminated against. A child though should not endure that force. That is like throwing a baby into its crib instead of placing it down gently. Little kids are not built to tolerate that and it makes me want to choke the mother for even thinking that she would take him on that.

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There's an awful lot of opinion in there.

My opinions on the same subject:

1. No, I probably wouldn't let my 4 year old ride Mission Space either. However, we have no way of knowing exactly how many have without incident. You only hear about the single neagtive experience. The ride has been open almost 2 years. Trust me, plenty of small(er) children have ridden without cause for alarm.

2. I highly doubt the height requirements have anything to do with height challenged people. Enough so that I'd place large sums of money on it.

3. I think you're underestimating how tough children are. They are surprisingly tough and able to endure.

4. The forces on Mission Space are less than that of many coasters. I imagine it's the duration of the forces rather than the level of the forces that causes problems.

5. Dropping a baby (even onto a soft matress surface) creates WAY more G-force than any thrill ride. A sneeze alone causes 3G's of force to one's chest. Babies sneeze all the time. I don't know the exact number for Mission Space (I'm sure someone does, IIRC it's around 2 give or take a little), but I can all but guarantee you that for the length of time the G's are experienced, it's most likely not as high as 3G's (the force of that sneeze)

*** Edited 7/13/2005 4:49:32 AM UTC by Lord Gonchar***

I think i heard it was about 6 possitve G's.(we get a disney video evry 6 months and they said it was 6 G's) *** Edited 7/13/2005 5:01:34 AM UTC by Tycoontitan***