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I was going to post something, but gator just dropped the mic. Well played sir.

I just like to remind those Conservative-y Christianists that Jesus was a liberal Jew. Then watch the convulsion start.

Hmm. I suppose I'm one of those "Conservative-y Christianists," whatever the **** that means. I think most of us know Jesus is Jewish, but if I promise not to convulse, can someone explain how He was a liberal?

I personally believe He was neither liberal or conservative (especially since He was not a political figure in any sense). Many of His actions and teachings aligned with both ideologies.

Vater:

Christianist: A member of the Christian faith who seeks to use a religion of tolerance and peace for political and personal gain.

very different than Christian

Vater said:

I think most of us know Jesus is Jewish, but if I promise not to convulse, can someone explain how He was a liberal?

For His day and the world He lived in, He was most definitely liberal. (Lower case l). Needling the rich, helping the poor and sinner. Those were radical thoughts in His day.

He hung out with prostitutes and lepers.

He healed people, for free. He fed people, also for free.

He threw the money-changers out of the temple in a fit of rage that would have made Elizabeth Warren tear up with pride and joy.

Mike Huckabee, Franklin Graham, and Pat Robertson would deny him way more than three times....

P.S. I didn't really drop the mic, or else I wouldn't have touched it again. ;~P

...he was fictional.

(not sure if that's a simple declaration of my non-believer status, a slam on Jesus and this discussion or a Liberal joke that isn't really a joke, but maybe could be with a little work on wording - you decide)

Vater (no offense to you or your beliefs), but this is an example of a Christianist, from today's headlines:

http://talkingpointsmemo.com/livewire/tennessee-constitution-almighty-god

I get that you're making a distinction with "christianist", but...

Isn't pointing at bad examples and then generalizing with a wide brush akin to claiming all muslims are terriorists?

All I've learned in my nearly 42 years on this planet is that all sides, groups, types, classifications and kinds have their good and bad.

No, the use of the suffix "ist" on the end delineates the difference from the vast majority of Christians and Muslims (Islamist vs. adherents of Islam).

It's a subtle difference, but a distinct one. I try to avoid using the word Christian to describe bad actors, but admit I probably slip from time to time.

Lord Gonchar said:

All I've learned in my nearly 42 years on this planet is that all sides, groups, types, classifications and kinds have their good and bad.

I've learned that in my 16 years of associating with coaster enthusiasts that they are all terrorists.

Or Maverick.

Enthusiastist?

Didn't you know? We even had our own 9/11 event.

~Rob

Wow. Never saw that thread before.

And I had forgotten it...

Rocky Mountain it.

rollergator said:

He hung out with prostitutes and lepers.

He healed people, for free. He fed people, also for free.

Charitable, compassionate, and philanthropic, no doubt. This is what He was about, and what He taught. None of these are inherently liberal (and most definitely not socialist) traits. It's also quite a different animal to compare the giving nature of one man (or charitable organization) vs. a government program, which forcibly takes from some to give to others.

He threw the money-changers out of the temple in a fit of rage that would have made Elizabeth Warren tear up with pride and joy.

Right. Herod's Temple, which He called "God's house," a house of prayer. I don't think that means He was against trade or a free market system in general.

Mike Huckabee, Franklin Graham, and Pat Robertson would deny him way more than three times....

Jesus was liberal because three high-profile preachers/politicians might not be the upstanding Christians they proclaim themselves to be. Got it.

I'm sure Jesus was pro-choice, too.

logical fallacies all around....

Nobody mentioned Socialism (Edit: Actually someone did upthread), but nice attempt at labeling Liberals as dirty hippie Socialists. Jesus feeding the masses with the bread and fishes is closer to socialism. Who the hell paid for those? Who paid for the rental of the mountain for the sermon? Damn . Preying off of the makers.

You really need to learn the difference between lower case and upper case "L".

Elizabeth Warren isn't against trade or a free market system either, but nice attempt at trashing her.

I"m dying to know which government program you disagree with that takes from some and gives to others. Please tell us.

(after you've done the above, then think of Matthew 19:21)

Jesus was liberal. He didn't stone the whore like the rest of his contemporaries would have done. That's pretty damn liberal for his time.

The whole judge not thing, yeah that. Totally different than most Capital C Conservatives in American politics (and religion).

But keep telling yourself what you like to hear.

The only thing crazy in this thread to me is that idea that it makes sense to use the decisions a man may or may not have made 2000 years ago to influence or decide political policy halfway around the world two millennia later.

Suddenly, I understand why American government is so f'd up.

I'm pretty proud of the fact that Jesus, religion and the Bible have nothing to do with my political leanings.

(On a side note, I do like the look of capitalized pronouns when referring to Jesus. Might I suggest we start doing that for me?)

Vater said:

I don't think that means He was against trade or a free market system in general.

I knew there was *something* we might agree on...and there you go!

P.S. I always capitalize "Lord Gonchar"....