Posted Friday, March 12, 2004 8:37 AM | Contributed by Gemini
The deal in which Cedar Fair, L.P. agreed to buy Six Flags Worlds of Adventure was a surprise to all but a very few people when it was announced Wednesday. The deal was developed over several months in secret talks designed to minimize any effect on the stock values of either publicly traded company.
Cedar Point should get the blame for any and all the animals that are harmed or killed in their relocation from their home of them and their families for the past 33 years between Sea World and SFWoA Wildlife Side.
CP isn't the gem it appears to be, and when they announce that season passes are going up to $99, no one will go to Geauga Lake anymore.
Yes, I'm bitter about the loss of the most beautiful part of the park, and EVERYONE I have spoken to exhibits the same feelings!
Cedar Point has finally done something wrong, and in a HUGE way.
I don't know if i can trust them now!*** This post was edited by midwave 3/12/2004 12:10:41 PM ***
What does Cedar Point have to do with it? Cedar Point didn't buy SFWoA, Cedar Fair did. Despite what people think, there is a big difference. Edit: Gravity beat me to it.
Yes, you do sound bitter, midwave. It would seem to me that you are in the minority. The SFWoA wildlife side wasn't on the same level as Sea World. I have no doubt you enjoyed the animals. But a business doesn't make a decision like this based on what a few loyal people think.
The wildlife side was not popular. There's a reason Sea World sold it and a reason why attendance was lacking.
*** This post was edited by Gemini 3/12/2004 12:36:11 PM ***
That's probably the least informed nonsense I've read. Cedar Fair does not, did not, and never will have anything to do with the animals. That's like holding me accountable for a Brazilian rain forest.
Yes, they're all going. A Web site will be available as soon as they can build one. They don't come together over night, and even if they did, Cedar Fair hasn't yet determined what information would appear on one.
IMO, however limited, CF did the animals a favor by NOT trying to keep them. SF has a much better idea of how to care for animals, and even if they've been *less than perfect*, the animals are going to be in MUCH better hands by going somewhere with people who have *expertise* in that arena. Sure, the animals themselves would probably be better off still by going to a Busch Park....but three-way deals are limited mainly to pro sports franchises, LOL....
This (SFWoA/CF:GL) wasn't the deal that hurt SF, I don't see where *leaking* news of this particular deal would've had too great of an impact either way. Even the markets' initial reaction with the quick JUMP in share prices of FUN and PKS were moderated in fairly short order, with the "adjustments" made later on Weds. and early Thursday.
If the European park *blunder* had been made public earlier, THEN I'd have considered ditching my few shares of SFI before that was finalized....SFWoA was a wash at best, the European deal, however, I think SFI got taken...."wanna buy some amusement parks CHEAP?"...;)
*** This post was edited by rollergator 3/12/2004 2:50:51 PM ***
Uh.......yeah. Post #2 from Mid"course"wave really hit the spot after a great meal. *belch....*
A) Yes, the animal side was a unique addition in the market. But, if it hurts your feelings this bad. The Cleveland Zoo is right up the road and just as photogenic. Toledo's and Pittsburgh's aren't that bad either.....heck, I just think we have a little Shamu-envy goin' on.
B) The EVERYONE that you spoke of may be in agreement with your feelings, but people with much more money than you and I combined have decided that they weren't making enough from a 5 month attraction. I was upset when the Indians couldn't keep Jim Thome, but did I stop going to the Jake? If you don't like the music, then change the station (ie. Don't go to GL if you interested in zoology.)
C) And most importantly, is Dorney Park owned by Cedar Point, too?
D) I have yet to comment on this topic, but after the sheer surprise on Wednesday, I think the move is the best for both companies. CF can expand because it's kicking major asparagus, while SF needs to regroup, cut its loses and try new ideas. By selling this park and hopefully others in Europe, they can rebuild the decomposing foundation.
Alright, I hate to beat a dead horse, but I have to just point out one more fault in Midwave's post.
You said no one would go to GL if/when the season pass price increases to $99 (What is it now?). First of all, not all the visitors are season pass holders, so these people wouldn't care what the season pass prices were. Besides, I think big fans of the park would be more than willing to shell out extra bucks.
Chewy, don't forget that if you throw in visits to CP i'd be happy to shell out $99 for a GL season pass. I'd end up going CP a couple of times a year instead of one. So yes, it would benefit both parks.
Another problem with Midwave's post is that I don't think that any of the animals that are being moved are even 33 years old. So, no, none of the animals that have been there for 33 years will be killed.
Animals are moved from zoo to zoo all the time. There are laws (USDA) and procedures (AZA, USDA, and Alliance of Marine Animal Parks) that need to be followed. Anyway, If an animal dies that is a loss of $$$ for SF. Example if the Orca would die in transport, that would be a loss of nearly $1 Million, let alone the bad press from PETA.
When I read the earlier reports this week it stated that SF sold the entire park, but, kept any and all of the rights to the animals. So Midwave, how right is it to jump all over CF or CP for the loss of the animals. Someone else mentioned that they will be better off with SF anyway, and I agree, (just don't send them to Elitch Gardens, too much controversey out there about animals in captivity, circuses, ect.). Besides, if you live anywhere around Cleveland, you have one of the coolest zoos in the country up there at Cleve. Metroparks Zoo...now where are those penguin-kabobs I ordered.
I live in orlando Florida now but I am an Ohio native. I have to say my expierences at the old Geauga Lake were not great (not horrible) just thought the park was dirty. I was however a passholder at SeaWorld for many many years. The times I did travel up north after the Worlds of Adventure opened I had horrific expierences. It suprizes me that Six Flags is still in business the way they operate. I'm am a manager at Disney so I do know a thing or two about Guest Service. I feel bad for the Animal Care Teams, they have a lot of integrity and have done wonders to upkeep the animal areas after the first buy out. I hope that Drew Delgros and the rest of the Training Team move on to great things. Two of the worst casulties here is that of a tarined walrus (that SeaWorld left behind because he was blind) and Shouka, a great whale now sorta homeless. Oh yeah and that beautiful piece of property that has been there since 1970, It will be a shame to see it over run (like weeds) with coasters and such. I'm a coaster fan but some places they don't belong.