What did I say? The track doesn't wear, the wheels and springs do. I can't tell you how many times I've been on Millennium Force or GL's Dominator and watched the cars in front of me shake laterally all over the place, because of sloppy springs. If it were the track, you'd see the "bump" move through each car in a wave.
If that were true, wouldn't it have been rough from the start?
I've ridden two of the earlier Batman's (SFGAM & SFGADV) and think they still hold up well. SFGAM & SFGADV's flyers are fine as well. The inverts have all been good. No problems either with AC, RB, or Nitro.
Where I've had some problems is with some of the floorless models. Batman the Dark Knight in the interlocking corkscrews, and Hydra's Revenge--pretty much the whole ride. With Hydra, someone mentioned they were using a combination of different wheel types, which was resulting in the bumpiness.
The other standups are love-it-or-hate-it. I don't recall hating Chang, but Mantis I might sit-out next year. I don't recall any headbanging per se, but, the bicycle seat still hurt my thighs the following day. And that was the first ride of the day!
I don't why it would be any different than Iron Wolf, Vortex (Carowinds), or Chang which all have the same seat, but maybe it's the transitions and g's. I don't know?
I do agree that arrow was sloppy in designing rides, they also allowed themselves to compromised by the parks. Arrow compressed shockwave, so that it could fit into the parking lot. I think that Great American Scream Machine @ SKGAd has had less problems compared to Shcokwave because of its larger foot print.
About B&M, I think their best design will survive the test of time just like classic wood coasters did dark ages of roller coaster during the 40's, 50's, and 60's.
I was saying that the footprint size is one of the factors in roughness of that ride.
It was an early effort and they probably didn't learn all the "bugs" (cough) in their designs. I wonder how Iron Wolf would be if it was built today?
There was a time I thought BTR at SFGAM was getting rough with a constant, humming vibration a couple of years ago. But the last time I was back it was smooth again. I don't know if they did anything or not but I do recall the difference.
I have to say that the Patriot has been by far the smoothest B&M I have ridden. No head knocking what so ever or any memory of vibrations.
As far as how they age, my jury is still out. But I don't think future Beamers will decline in quality anytime soon.
Standup coasters in general just seem to have that stereotype in general. Just lean your head forward on a standup and you should be pain free when you get off the ride.
Many people say Demon is rough because of the corkscrews. Shockwave is rough because it just is a relentless coaster. The batwing however is what really did it after I blacked out on 3 loops in a row. I don't understand how B&M is rough unless you are talking about Iron Wolf. Maybe, you can say Riddler's and Chang, but that's just because there is more pressure on your body.
Now, Batman the Ride at SFStL was rougher than the SFGAm version. This doesn't have anything to do as through the years, blah, blah. It's just the opposite way, and thus it's un-normal and a little rougher in my opinion.
If your head is bouncing around, then a ride is really rough. If it's the one little vibration on Goliath, I just don't get your point of Goliath now being rough. Vibrations are on every roller coaster. Raging Bull has vibrations on it's helix thing going down. That's just the way it's built.
Who's to say that these rides weren't smooth when they were first built? I don't understand it. I think Magnum is horrible now, and I bet you it was that way when it was built. The thing was that it was one of the first, and thus people get all crazy about that ride just because of all tall it was. It was probably was the same exact rough ride back then.
Every year, I hear Batman is getting faster, and faster, and faster. I don't see how that's really possible.
X is a rough coaster that everybody loves. It bangs your knees if you don't put them. I love it as long as it's not my head.
As in the rough category, we have Arrow, and we have Vekoma. Make a Vekoma topic so we can say how great they once were, and how rough there coasters have become. I only see a certain number of coasters that are great that they make. It's not the SLC's, or the Flying Dutchman. Of course, that's my opinion.
I only seem to notice the vibration on tracks filled with sand/dirt (that goes for Intamin's Storm Runner, too). Actually, the only exception I can think of is Talon, which I've never noticed a vibration on (paging Dannerman).
Yes? You act as though I have a soft spot for Talon. :)
In all my rides on it in various conditions.. (sun, clouds, mist, fog, rain, snow, daylight, dusk, dark, halloweekends, temperatures ranging from 39-104.. yes it can run in sub-40 as long as the ride times are fast enough, it just can't start if it isn't already running) It's a solid, mostly-smooth ride. Train 1 is a tad slower than Train 2, all things being equal. The only times I've felt considerable vibrations are when a wheel change is needed. I also feel it more often on train 2 than train 1, which may be because the speeds are slightly faster. I'm not 100% certain of that.
As always, YMMV
I think the only thing that will age about B&M track is the paint.
Like Chitown said, lean your head forward for standup coasters. I've always done this and I've never had a problem with Iron Wolf. I will say that the front is less bumpy than the back, but the only explanation I have for that is that the front travels through the transitions at a different speed than the back.
Let me try one more example. Fligh of Fear at PKI (maybe the others too?) was the worst and "roughest" ride I had ever been on when I went on it with the OTSR. I thought I knew what it felt like to be a boxer. After riding it with the lap bar restraints, its one of my favorite rides. As far as I know, the trains didn't change, just the restraint system - so the coaster is still "rough" but any jolts aren't taken through the head and so the roughness is not perceived.
I have to admit I could be labled a B&M fanboy but honestly have you ever been on a B&M that you thought was rougher than say Psyclone @ SFMM, Grizzly@ PGA', Demon @ PGa's, Viper @ SFMM? I very highly doubt it.
And as for rides getting rougher have you noticed a pattern? Goliath, BTR do you think that it could be of poor Six Flags maitinence?
I dont think it is possible for Beemers to get as rough as Arrow's because as Jeff said Arrows were never SMOOTH. And in comparison to other designers B&M still gives the smoothest ride.
Another famous ride is Gemini at CP. The second hill had to be shortened before it opened.
The Bat at Kings Island was so bad, they took it down.
Finally, X, doesn't need much explaining.
Some B&M's (MANTIS) aren't rough. The design just doesn't work with the trains used. This seems to be the case on most stand ups.
Raptor, (the only other B&M I've been on) is amazing and very smooth. The transition into the brakerun is the only thing.
Medusa is still pretty smooth for me and so is nitro.
Now the great american scream machine has some parts that always slamm you into your restraint. you ca nsee the parts in the track.
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