If you a fan of these coasters like I am you will hate to hear this and you might agree.
Are the Bolliger and Mallibard coasters going to turn into today's arrow coaters?
If you have ridden Riddlers Revenge, or Scream at Magic Mountain Kumba at Busch Gardens Africa or even Iron Wolf. You might of noticed how rough they are becoming.
I am just noticiing this but, I know this isnt a case for all their coasters because they are all great but some are becoming rough.
Here is my question are the parks not maintaining them correctly or are the coasters the arrow loopers of tomorrow. Tell me what you think
Most "rough" B&M's may not be maintained as well as they should be. However, some new B&M's like Six Flags Over Georgia's Goliath have certain track spots where there's a terribly uncomfortable vibration in the vehicles. Nobody really seems to know why.
Honestly, aside from Iron Wolf which I've not ridden but understand is phenomenally rough, I can't really imagine a Beemer being any more than slightly rough. I've been on Batman and the Scorcher on bad days and ya know what? Still puts the average Arrow loopscrew to shame.
Goliath at Georgia I didnt have any vibration on it so i dont know wat that is
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Inverts- I have found these to be the best as far as giving the best and smoothese rides. Raptor is by far the worst with the quick turn before the end beating you up, but its really enjoyable. Same goes for Great Bear and Talon.
Floorless- These seem to have a problem with Vibration with the wheels, probably because its underneath you as opposed to feeling it above you where it probably would shake more. Horrible on Batman Dark Knight @ SFNE and really noticeable vibration on Dominator at Geauga Lake. Same with standups im sure as Mantis is God-aweful, with vibration and head bashing.
As far as the Hypers/Megas go they seem to have a great fan base and seem to rank really high in the coaster polls, so i would seem to find them pretty enjoyable based on this, although i have yet to ride one.
The dive machines are a hard breed because we only have one here in the US but i havent got a chance to ride it yet, but might be able to ride Griffon next year, so i dont know much about them yet.
The Flyers are the same with the above dive machines to me.
All in all i think the problem with B&M's recently has just been the lack of a real new layout with some of their existing coaster types, such as the invert. I think that has to do with the companies of the parks that purchase them, seems most have the same layout. B&M by far has made some of the better steel coasters i have been on so I'm not complaining sometimes i have to agree that the parks neglect them.
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I love B&M's but they need to mix it up more and come out with some new features the flying coasters are not as great
The designers and engineers of tomorrow will look at today's B&M and Intamin standouts as a starting point, not a bar to be reached. And people will be saying, "thank goodness they're finally tearing down (B&M coaster) to put in a decent ride!" It's progress.
Batman and Kumba were also smooth in the beginning but all rides rough up after a few years. The rough rides couldn't compare with how bad SFGAM's Shockwave and Drachen Fire and Steel Phantom were. The Arrow mega loopers were a rough ride from day one. I couldn't even bring myself to take a final ride on Shockwave before they took it down because the headache wasn't worth it. Even the smaller Arrows like the Demon are pretty bad.
I noticed some bad spots on Raging Bull this year with the vibrations but, those seats are so comfortable it's really not that bad. I wish I could have the B&M hyper seats as chairs in my home.
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I doubt very much that any B&M that you perceive as rough can't be fixed by new springs (and I don't think Iron Wolf is "rough," it's just too much direction change too fast for that kind of ride).
If that were true, wouldn't it have been rough from the start? I know PGA's Vortex was glass smooth the first 3 or 4 seasons. Since then, it's been as brutal as the worst of the Vekoma hang n' bangs. PGA's Top Gun on the other hand was and still is glass smooth, is it really possible that parks like PGA, SFGAM, and PCAR would allow the springs/bearing etc. to go to crap on their early stand-ups and not on their inverts, if this theory is true? I agree more with the theory that certain types just aren't aging well.
Most Arrows were state of the art when they were built.
This I diasgree with. Arrow coasters were sloppy engineering and lazy in many aspects even brand new. Compared to other coasters of the day (Schwarzkopf) they looked like amatuer engineering. Do I need to quote my old "Arrow from 1976-1998 was a bunch of crappy, lazy engineers" rant that I tried hard to and couldn't get anyone to disagree with? :)
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