Freefall on the back of Superman...Can it be done?

Thursday, November 8, 2001 1:11 PM
i read an article on screamscape about a year ago, with the mention of putting a freefall type ride on the other side of superman (attached to the S:TE tower).  i know that screamscape is only a "rumor" site and the idea might appear strange, but...

1) can it be done?, 2) should it be done, and 3) i say build it because that would make SFMM The Xtreme Park that it calls itself. 

Tell me what you think, and please, don't mention anything about Cedar Point.  This is a SFMM topic only!

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Thursday, November 8, 2001 1:15 PM
Adam,

If you look at the Tower of Terror at Dreamworld, you will see that on either side of the tower sits the Gaint Drop freefall ride.  Although S:TE has a slightly different tower, I don't see how there could be any trouble with installing a freefall ride onto it.  At the moment as far as I know,  the Gaint Drop is the tallest freefall ride on the plantet standing at 120meters or app 390feet tall.  Is worth the trip.

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Thursday, November 8, 2001 1:21 PM
From all the discussion about it, I've read they only operate parts of the rides(TT) at a time due to wind and rouhness in the structure of the ride itself, or maybe only one of the rides.
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Thursday, November 8, 2001 1:34 PM
p_c_r,
The Gaint Drop does opperate both sides at once and I have the photos to prove it...somewhere.  The high wind problem does not stop the ride completely, but it is a cause for only one side to opperate at a time.  Still well worth the ride.  As for the ride being rough, never noticed it at all before.  A very smooth ride every time I have been on them (TOT and Gaint Drop).
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The Croc Man Rules!!!

*** This post was edited by wayne "Thunder" currie on 11/8/2001. ***

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Thursday, November 8, 2001 2:36 PM
It cannot be done.  First of all, there isn't exactly space for it, secondly the tower already sways enough without a giant drop going down the side, and lastly the structure will simply not support it. 

The reason it can be done on ToT is due to the fact ToT and S:TE have entirely different tower structures.  ToT uses a tubelike thing (like in RCT) while S:TE uses a steel box like structure (any further detail would be greatly appreciated)

Sorry to burst your bubble to anyone who thought it was possible.

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Thursday, November 8, 2001 2:46 PM
Actually, if a drop ride were installed, the drop ride and Superman would be strengthened support-wise, rather than weakened.
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Thursday, November 8, 2001 2:50 PM
No, trust me, this topic has been discussed many times before...it will not work.  The drop ride, if exactly like the one at ToT just goes up the sides of the main tower.  No extra supports, just the giant drop on the sides.  For it to work on S:TE the giant drop would have to have a structure all its own and the best they could hope for is that they would lean against eachother, but with the wind conditions and the tower swaying so much it wouldn't work.
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Thursday, November 8, 2001 4:36 PM

PxPxPunKrAwKeR said:
No, trust me, this topic has been discussed many times before...it will not work.  The drop ride, if exactly like the one at ToT just goes up the sides of the main tower.  No extra supports, just the giant drop on the sides.  For it to work on S:TE the giant drop would have to have a structure all its own and the best they could hope for is that they would lean against eachother, but with the wind conditions and the tower swaying so much it wouldn't work.

Trust me, if SFMM wanted to do it, engineering could easily find a way. 

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Thursday, November 8, 2001 5:14 PM
I think it could be done, but since there are ready-to-go rides like Intamin drop towers, why retrofit and spend loads of cash when you could have something like Drop Zone or Acrophobia?  By installing a drop on the back or sides of Superman, you would have a lower capacity ride than the usual drop towers you find being built today.  I guess it would make sense if you didn't have ANY room to put a normal drop tower in, but they don't take up much square footage anyway...
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Thursday, November 8, 2001 5:44 PM
I had a thought the other day instead of putting a drop tower on the side of Superman: TE, I would love to see S&S build a Thrust Air that goes up one side over the top and down the other side! Now that would be awesome!
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Thursday, November 8, 2001 7:10 PM
Ravenguy, there is only one small problem...theres no room for a loading area...and it would be MUCH more cost efficient to just install an intamin giant drop, gyro drop, stand up gyro drop or whatever of that size then to build it on the side of superman....
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Thursday, November 8, 2001 7:41 PM
i think that if sfmm was going to put in a new drop tower, they should build a completely independent standing structure a la acrophobia.  but i ask myself, what if?  if done correctly, they could have opened superman and a drop tower in one year and it would have been awesome, and cost-effective (something that they should have considered).  but say sfmm does get an itch to attach a drop tower on the side, wouldn't it be incredible?  it would still be taller than an acrophobia or drop zone, wouldn't it?  or could the body even handle that kind of height and speed? help me out here as i have no idea what their specs are.
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Thursday, November 8, 2001 7:44 PM
If SFMM had wanted a freefall tower on the side of Superman, it would have been designed to do that in the first place. Why do it four years later?
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Thursday, November 8, 2001 7:47 PM
The tower wouldn't be able to handle it....
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Thursday, November 8, 2001 7:52 PM
I'm not quite as familiar with SFMM as I should be, but would there be room for a loading station, queue etc. for a drop ride at the base of the tower?
Basically, where exactly is the tower in the park and is there enough room around it to suppourt a ride.

Personally, I'd be more impressed with an Intamin Gyro Drop than anything that could be attached to the tower.
We don't have any type of Gyro Drop around here, but have a Space Shot and Turbo Drop.


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Thursday, November 8, 2001 10:37 PM
The best idea would be to modify the cars to be more like Vekoma's Hammerhead Stall cars. Then you could spin around and actually see how high up you are without having to turn your head. Hopefully they could do it without changing the restraints!

 

-djansi

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Thursday, November 8, 2001 11:19 PM
Giant Drops on S:TE are structurally impossible. StarCoasters, I fail to see how adding dozens of tonnes worth of cables, gears, magnets, track and gondolas to S:TE would make the structure stronger! The structure simple won't permit such a ride. TOT was designed with the Giant Drop to be added a few years after TOT itself was built. Also, if it were possible somehow, the amount of money Intamin alone would have to spend on building entirely new mechanical and structural systems for the ride to work properly, it would be as much as S:TE itself cost at the end of this exercise, heck, even Six Flags wouldn't waste time and money on such a ride!

Richard

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Friday, November 9, 2001 12:59 AM
Richard,

I can tell you from my own eyes that the only thing up the top of the Gaint Drop is the pully system and the sensors at the top of the ride.  Most of the stuff at the top of the Tower is for the TOT ride.  The main workings for the Gant Drop is a the base of the tower.  The only force at all on the structure of the S:TE ride would be the lifting of the carriage.

The only reason I know this is that I have been on the top of the TOT.  It was just before the Gaint Drop opened and I was working for the company that to move a couple of the lights on the side of the Tower.  We are talking about 1inch over  just so the cables would not hit them.  Nice view though.

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The Croc Man Rules!!!

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Friday, November 9, 2001 3:50 AM
So basically all that is up the top is a giant pulley that changes the direction of force. I haven't seen the technical specs for the lift cable system, but I don't think there is any mechanical advantage occuring because as far as I know, there is only one pully at the top, although correct me if I'm wrong.

Ok, lets do some calculations, there are about 400-500kg of people aboard each gondola. Lets say 450kg. The weight of each gondola is, lets say 3 tonnes. **I am estimating all this, so chances are I'm way off** Ok, that means that they are 3,450kg each, with a full load.

They travel at 20km/hr up to the top, which means the initial force going on that pully as the cables go from 0-20km/hr is roughly 22 tonnes, which is a lot for a few girders to hold up. Also, lets not forget the braking of the gondolas. This will exert more force than the cable towing it up, and the girders the natural magnets are bolted to happen to be under a lot more stress from the weight of the stucture above.

Oh, and just to give you an idea, Space Probe's Dome on top weighs 10 tonnes...

I apologise for any mistakes that happen to be in the physics above, it is getting on midnight here, and I am pretty tired :-)

Richard

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Friday, November 9, 2001 7:30 AM
From the view point of a project engineer:

1) Can it be done?  Of course. The questions are economics, esthetics, and traffic flow.
2) How much will it cost?  Need an analysis of the current structure to determine how much it would need to be modified.
3) Would you rather have one tall structure or 2 from a stand point of esthetics and possibly marketing?
4) Would the drop tower be as thrilling humg from the side of the massive Superman structure as from a spindly tower?
5) Do park traffic patterns allow people to get to and from a drop ride mounted on the side of the Superman tower?
6) Do they overload the bathrooms in the area?
7) Will people be walking past the parts of the park, restaurants, stores, flat rides, that you want them to?

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