The_Orient_of_Express:
but a civilized society should have basic safety laws to help protect people from themselves.
I find it difficult (at best) to kinda sorta agree with that even a little bit. A civilized society should make laws that protect people from other people. Common ****ing sense protects me from myself. If I fail at that, well…I’m certainly no longer a potential danger to anyone else at that point.
The problem with relying on common sense is that (a) humans have a crappy track record in actually applying it and (b) everyone believes they apply it infallibly.
"I'm completely rational. It's all those other fools!"
I am a pretty smart guy by conventional standards. And I know that I make decisions based on emotional whim and no actual evidence all. the. time. That's just what it means to be human.
LostKause:
I totally understand the people who refuse to wear a helmet
A really good friend of mine is still in the ICU after a motorcycle crash two weeks ago. Last I knew, he was still in an induced coma. He wore a helmet without fail while Michigan required it, but stopped wearing his helmet the day that changed. I mean, I guess I understand it, but I still am awfully sad about it. And he's one of the more sensible people I know in nearly every other respect.
And it's not like I don't still eat raw fish, despite having first hand experience with how nasty food poisoning can be.
Maybe the stress and anxiety caused by constantly weighing the risk vs. protective factors in life (for yourself or for people you know) is actually more or at least equal to 1) just living one's own life, and 2) realizing that we're all meeting the same inevitable ending point eventually, and 3) maybe it's more about enjoying that ride (and who you are enjoying it with) than worrying about how it might end.
Promoter of fog.
Brian Noble:
A really good friend of mine is still in the ICU after a motorcycle crash two weeks ago.
I'm sorry to hear that. I hope he gets better soon.
-Travis
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Brian Noble:
The problem with relying on common sense is that (a) humans have a crappy track record in actually applying it and (b) everyone believes they apply it infallibly.
"I'm completely rational. It's all those other fools!"
What if I say I'm okay with that?
I mean, I'm totally okay with stupidity being allowed to run its course. Obviously.
Jeff:
So the statistics you mention unequivocally arrive at the conclusion that wearing a seatbelt is safer. Twice as safe, apparently.
Absolutely. 100%. Yes.
It takes my odds from already low enough that I don't worry about them and still drive anywhere I need to without even thinking about it in any conscious way...
...to half of that.
I'm not saying you shouldn't wear a seatbelt. I'm saying I don't.
Also, I was really hoping someone would champion sunscreen or helmets more. I guess it's just further proof of the human side of risk evaluation
Based on cold, hard numbers, Sunscreen is actually more effective at protecting you from the perceived threat than seatbelts are. (50% reduction vs 45% in the case of melanoma)
OhioStater:
realizing that we're all meeting the same inevitable ending point eventually
Which is exactly why whether I go unnecessarily through my windshield or peacefully in bed at 105 with the organs of a man half my age, they gotta do the work to get rid of me.
Hell, I'd argue that going through the windshield and a Sunday afternoon and not lingering in a facility for years on end reduces the overall costs and strain on the system.
(The funny part is that someone reading that last statement is going to try to dig up some numbers to see if that's actually true or yet another example of humans being human)
Maybe the stress and anxiety caused by constantly weighing the risk vs. protective factors in life (for yourself or for people you know) is actually more than...
Yeah. Exactly.
Lord Gonchar:
I'm totally okay with stupidity being allowed to run its course. Obviously.
As long as you recognize that you are also endowed with stupid, I dig that. In the words of Walter Sobchak: “At least it’s an ethos.”
OhioStater:
constantly weighing the risk vs. protective factors in life
We all do this, all the time. It’s just that it is done by snap decisions, so it doesn’t take a ton of effort until we examine why we do <whatever>. That’s why I sometimes walk out of my therapist’s office freaking exhausted.
Brian Noble:
As long as you recognize that you are also endowed with stupid, I dig that.
LOL. Me too.
Because we all are...and not enough people do.
That's what I love about this site. A question about sunscreen a week ago leads to four pages of reapplying, bike helmets, seatbelts, and of course, studies. I will not apologize for asking!
Speaking of, time to pack some sunscreen for Indiana Beach tomorrow. Yes I will be wearing a seatbelt on the drive and reapplying sunscreen.
Lord Gonchar:
Which is exactly why whether I go unnecessarily through my windshield or peacefully in bed at 105 with the organs of a man half my age, they gotta do the work to get rid of me.
Superior genes or organ harvesting?
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