On recent posts, I've noticed that many people are giving the floorless coaster a bad name, that is that it's a gimmick. IMO, I dont think this is a gimmick at all. It adds a great feature to the B&M loopers. What gets me ticked though, is how people trash them. Many of the people who gimmick the floorless have only been on one or two, with a moajority of the rides going to BKF. In fact, I believe its a good coaster, but BKF would really shine with the heartline element. (Most)People who trash floorless coasters havnt been on one with a heartline. The other elements are pretty tame, but the feeling of having your legs spun aruond in the air simillar to RB or AC. The heartline will change anyones opinion of a floorless. Then again, if you are one of those picky enthusiests whos been on every floorless, then ill respect your opinion. B&M were just trying to make the ride better, I suggest we take advantage of it.
Floorless coasters are great! The first one I ever rode was Kraken. It was awesome! GreatAdventureAddict, you are right, the best elements on floorless coasters are the zero-g rolls! It seems like you really do more than one roll on them! It's a great feeling!
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The floorless thing to me *is* a gimmick. And yes I have only been on two of them: B:KF and Kraken.
If you've been watching, you can note that I think that Kraken is the most perfectly engineerd coaster I have ridden. I loved Kraken. It is my favorite seated looper. But if Kraken had Kumba or WildFire trains, my opinion would be the same. I only rode kraken in the next to front and next to back, so the floorless effect was lost on me. The coasters themselves are GOOD (or GRRRREAT in the case of Kraken) but the floorless trains dont add much.
oh and for the record, I thought Kumba had the better zero-g roll. lata, jeremy
I've only been on Medusa east, and I have to say that the floorless train IS a gimmick...it added nothing to the ride over a standard sit down train (at least, over the new design). However, that in no way makes it a bad coaster. I thought the ride was awesome, and the zero G roll was the best inversion I've ever experienced. I think that a floorless gives almost the exact same experience of a regular B&M sit-down looper, but that is definitely NOT a bad thing.
I still maintain that the floorless effect does not add much to the ride. Even in the front seat, it didn't induce fright or make the ride seem any better. While I don't think floorless trains can hurt a ride, the lower cost of rolling stock like that on Wildfire may draw many parks away from the floorless design. So I guess that I do think the floorless effect is nothing to drool over, although not a bad idea.
On a side note, am I the only person not impressed by Kraken? The ride just didn't do much for me--it seemed like it went through all the motions, but didn't deliver great excitement. For some reason, I though Kumba stood head and shoulders above Kraken, despite Kraken's superior first drop. The zero-G roll camelback on Kumba has to be one of the most amazing moments in all of coastering. I guess Kraken just seemed to tame for me--I enjoyed it, but the "coaster rush" was not there for me, and it completely lacked intensity.
Of the "above the rails while sitting" beemers I've ridden, I think Kumba reigns king, while Wildfire is a close second (I love how it just hurls you through inversion after inversion, and the drop is killer). I liked Kraken, but I didn't think it to be anything special. And I left the Hulk incredibly disappointed...awesome start, possibly the worst finish of any coaster.
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I call Batman Knight Flight the forgotten Ohio masterpiece, because it is without a doubt the best steel coaster in Ohio IMO. I may be the only one who feels this way, but I could care less, I absolutely love this ride. What seperates this floorless from the others is that great B&M pacing and intense transitions between the inversions. Medusa East and West are fun, but get blown away by Batman. One day you guys will realize how great this coaster is(if SFWOA doesn't ruin it with lack of maintainance).
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I agree that it is a good idea, but seriously it is a gimmick. I mean do you really think we're gonna see 'floorless' coaster trains 10 years from now? doubt it. Look at SDC's wildfire trains. They are just as open as any floorless.
i doubt the floorless design will continue, and for sure NO companies are going to follow in B&M's idea. (They'll create something newer & better)
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To me floorless coasters are very fun, but not because there is no floor, just because the ride itself is cool. I personally think the trains make the ride a little more fun, but they don't add enough do the ride to make it much better than a ride with the exact same layout and regular sit down trains. In the front row, however, the floorless trains are very cool. Let me put it this way: I would rather have a floorless than a regular sitdown B&M, but only because I assume (I've never been on a sitdown B&M) it is slightly better.
The sense of freedom heightens the ride experience. Obviously, the front row has the most dramatic effect, but it's pretty cool looking down and seeing the track right below your feet. Of the 2 I've ridden, I thought Medusa east was better than BKF because of the 2 extra inversions (diving loop and zero-g roll). BKF's drop and first loop are better though.
The Rentch said: "On a side note, am I the only person not impressed by Kraken? The ride just didn't do much for me--it seemed like it went through all the motions, but didn't deliver great excitement. For some reason, I though Kumba stood head and shoulders above Kraken, despite Kraken's superior first drop. The zero-G roll camelback on Kumba has to be one of the most amazing moments in all of coastering. I guess Kraken just seemed to tame for me--I enjoyed it, but the "coaster rush" was not there for me, and it completely lacked intensity."
You know Rentch, in a lot of ways I agree with you. I thought the zero-G roll on Kumba was *much* more fierce than the one on Kraken. And overall Kraken was a little tamer than I would have liked. However, as I've said before, everything seemed "just right". Kraken is really a coaster that anyone could ride. It's got 'just enough' thrills for enthusiasts yet it's not too intense for the young'uns. I dont know, it's completely against my usual intensity craving (see Fire Dragon) yet I absolutely loved it.
Hulk on the other hand sucked monkey testicles... lata, jeremy --Incredible Hulk Coaster = Incredible Hunk of Crap :)
Well, I am one of those coaster freaks who perfer the VERY back row on any and all coasters. I perfer getting thrown side to side and over the hills rather then the visual you get on the front row...that is until I rode Kraken...Oh my gosh, that visual on the front row was the best. The illusion of getting your feet cut off by the track on the inversions was such a thrill. You can not experience that on any other type of coaster. B&M have done it again. They created a masterpiece.I salute them. They got me to enjoy the front row. But Let me just say...ONLY ON FLOORLESS will I go quietly. Floorless coasters are just "another species of coaster"- Sea World , FL. Although I have not experienced all the floorless coasters, I look forward to adding at least 2 more to my list this summer. A highlight of my own little Coaster Tour '01~ ~~~Catchya on the lift hill