Excalibur and Frisbees from Intamin, Huss, Mondial

Sunday, October 31, 2004 11:20 PM
What is the differnce between this ride:

http://www.negative-g.com/SFSTL/SFStL2003/SFStL-2003-3.htm

and all the other Frisbbee's, like the ride expirence. Also would it be okay if a park had both a frisbee and a Excalibur type ride? Who makes the Exalibur ride?

Thanks,

Jacob

; *** Edited 11/1/2004 4:23:15 AM UTC by Jacob Green***

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Sunday, October 31, 2004 11:26 PM
On regular Frisbee attractions, the riders are positioned on sections that do not move based on centrifugal force. The seating sections on Excalibur can move much like that of an Enterprise attraction. The other difference is the movement of the arm--Excalibur moves in a slow circle, completing a full-360 rotation, while frisbees move at a much faster pace and do not fully invert.
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Sunday, October 31, 2004 11:28 PM
It's chaos stuck on the end of a frisbee. The seats, in addition to spinning on the end of a pendulum, are free to swing like a Chaos.

I heard the program at SFStL is kind of weak, but I rode a travelling version at the CA state fair this summer and it was awesome. It was spinning, swinging and flipping everywhere. Just all kinds of weird direction changes and forces. Great great fun.

*** Edited 11/1/2004 4:28:44 AM UTC by ApolloAndy***

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Sunday, October 31, 2004 11:37 PM
Weak program or not, it was a nice addition to SFStL. It's the one flat ride that made me experience nausea. :)
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Sunday, October 31, 2004 11:40 PM
I've ridden both Xcalibur and Delirium, and of the two I'd have to say I much more enjoyed Delirium. Xcalibur is thrilling but not nearly as much as Delirium to me. Also I've ridden Revolution at SFGAm and in my opinion it wasn't as fun as Delirium either. I think they're all Huss rides, but someone here can verify that for you for sure.
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Sunday, October 31, 2004 11:49 PM
first of all Excalibur isn't a Frisbee. It's an Evolution, I'm not sure who makes it.

Frisbees swing back and forth in a pendulum type motion. I also don't know of a single frisbee that makes a complete 360 degree circle. And most have the seats facing either inward or outward.

Excalibur can basically be described as placing a Chaos type ride on a swinging arm that makes a complete circle. *** Edited 11/1/2004 4:50:55 AM UTC by Danimal*** *** Edited 11/1/2004 4:51:32 AM UTC by Danimal***

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Monday, November 1, 2004 12:31 AM
Xcalibur was built by Nauta Bussnik Baily. I am sure that it is common knowledge that it is the Evolution from SFGAdv, but I will throw that out there anyways.
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Monday, November 1, 2004 2:45 PM

I heard the program at SFStL is kind of weak, but I rode a travelling version at the CA state fair this summer and it was awesome. It was spinning, swinging and flipping everywhere. Just all kinds of weird direction changes and forces. Great great fun.

The smaller Evolution is made by Fabbri, and I agree it is a much better ride than the Giant Evolutions made by Nauta-Bussink. I've heard NB only built three.

Several traveling shows have the Fabbri Evolution and there are a few permanent ones. Morey's and Flamingoland have permanent ones, although I think Morey's travels when the pier is closed.

*** Edited 11/2/2004 5:00:19 PM UTC by Jeffrey Seifert***

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Monday, November 1, 2004 3:12 PM
Fabbri also makes a ride called Jupiter that appears to be a looping version of the Huss Frisbee. If the video is any indication, this looks like one heck of a Techincolor Yawn-Inducer.

Ray P. *** Edited 11/1/2004 8:13:44 PM UTC by ProgRay***

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Monday, November 1, 2004 3:20 PM
It's chaos stuck on the end of a frisbee. The seats, in addition to spinning on the end of a pendulum, are free to swing like a Chaos.

Not on the models I've ridden. On all the models I've ridden seats rotate 90* shortly after the ride cycle begins and are fixed in that position so riders are parallel to the ground when the gondola is at its highest point. Then just before the final swing the cars are rotated back to their starting position to riders are upside-down at the highest point. At no time are they free to rotate like a Chaos.

Edit - look at the pics of Excalibur on this page and following pages. Notice all the cars always in the same position, so they are obviously locked in that position during the ride cycle. If at any point they were free to rotate like a Chaos they'd be in various positions.

*** Edited 11/1/2004 8:25:48 PM UTC by Mamoosh***

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Monday, November 1, 2004 3:20 PM
Sometimes slow motions like that produce a nice stomach dropping sensation.
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Monday, November 1, 2004 4:30 PM

Jeffrey Seifert said:


Several traveling shows have the Fabri Evolution and there are a few permanent ones. Morey's and Flamingoland have permanent ones, although I think Morey's travels when the pier is closed.


I'm drawing a blank here... what Morey's ride is a Fabbri Evolution?

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Monday, November 1, 2004 6:46 PM

Mamoosh said:


Notice all the cars always in the same position, so they are obviously locked in that position during the ride cycle. If at any point they were free to rotate like a Chaos they'd be in various positions.


That is not true, the cars are not locked in that position. Centrifugal force keeps them from moving too far from that orientation. You can notice though if you watch the cars during the ride cycle that they do move. The program on Xcalibur just doesn't induce the same type of movement that a Chaos does.

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Monday, November 1, 2004 6:49 PM
They are free-moving like Matt said. You can even see the 3 large bolts that are on either side of the gondola, inside the clear plastic bubble so that maintence can check it easier. Also when you step into the cars, they swing freely....
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Monday, November 1, 2004 7:22 PM
Then we must be talking about two different rides.

I'm referring to the ride that is commonly seen on the Carnival circuit as Evolution. IIRC its by Fabbri, as seen here. I rode one as recently as June, at the San Diego Fair. I also rode one at PNE in Vancouver.

Those cars most definitely DID NOT swing freely. Their movement was controlled by air pressure. The disc did not rotate fast enough for centifugal forces to keep them stationary. The cars rotated once, 90*...and then again just before the ride ended, 90* back to their original position.

So perhaps there is two versions of this ride?

mOOSH

*** Edited 11/2/2004 12:25:43 AM UTC by Mamoosh***

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Monday, November 1, 2004 7:26 PM
Xcalibur runs the short "safe" ride cycle so the ride does not have the chance to get stuck at the top, which apparently happened in New Jersey. The ride is designed to stop completly at the top and continue to spin before coming down. Does anybody know where the other 2 giant evolutions made by Ronald Bussink Professional Rides are located?
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Monday, November 1, 2004 7:32 PM
OK...direct from the Fabbri website:

Each Vehicle may rotate by acting of a pneuamtic cilynder.

While either watching the ride or while on the ride one could clearly hear the 'hissing' when the cylanders were activated to rotate cars from position 1 to position 2, and then again back to position 1. When on the ride there was a distinct 'bump' when the cars reached the end of their pivot. And when entering the cars they did not swing freely. Yes, they did rock a little but were obviously locked in place.

http://www.fabbrigroup.com/products/appr_tecnico.cfm?pro_id=44

mOOSH

*** Edited 11/2/2004 12:58:56 AM UTC by Mamoosh***

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Monday, November 1, 2004 8:40 PM
I don't know about the Bussink version, but as Moosh said, the Fabbri one is kept in place via a pneumatic ram.

I was at Morey's twice this year and never saw an Evolution. Doing some poking around I found out that FunFair Amusements used to book thiers into Casino Pier when the Bennett's used to own it, perhaps that's what Jeff was thinking of?

There are only a few Fabbri Evolutions traveling the U.S. now. Payne's was the one that wrecked in Florida, I know Bishop Amusements and one other carnival that plays Cali a lot travel with Evolutions. Not sure who else has them.

As for Bussink, they also have one Evolution in Japan (not sure if this was sold) and the Imperator left Prater this year and is back on the road in Germany.

To clear things up...

this is the Bussink version:

http://www.flatrides.com/Ride%20Index%20Pages/busevolution.html

this is the Fabbri version:

http://www.flatrides.com/Ride%20Index%20Pages/evolution.html

Adam

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Monday, November 1, 2004 9:09 PM
The Bussink version clearly is free to swing, although the centrifugal forces are such that it is minimal. In the first link in the above post, the picture on the right shows the cars have swung past 90 degrees. While on the ride, you can see the people across from you at the top of the rotation, something you can't do during any other part of the ride.

In my opinion the one in St. Louis is almost more fun to watch than to ride. It is a cool machine.

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Monday, November 1, 2004 9:16 PM
Thanks for the clarification, Adam. I guess I've never encountered the Bussnik version of the ride but it sounds fun!

mOOSH [good to know I'm not entirely crazy!]

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