Drops more than vertical (90 degrees+)

Drops past vertical are possible, as proven by the screaming squirrel. However, they either a) have to have a small radius or b) have serious braking. But just imagine, though, if large drops at about 120 degrees were built safely. Pure airtime heaven!

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Here's a link to the S&S prototype, The Screaming Squirrel. It looks pretty crazy. http://screamscape.com/html/s_s_power.html

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As I mentioned in the thread on the screaming squirrel, it's outside pullout does require braking to avoid excessive G's. However, if the pullout is inside (like a normal coaster) this is not a problem.

Check out the OTSR's on that pic! http://screamscape.com/assets/images/SS_StanOnSquirrel3_w.jpg

That looks wild! I wonder how those would work with smaller riders?

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Imangine the kinds of stunts the Screaming Squirrel would be able to do. Just think dropping down upside down then going into an inline twist only to be spun upside down again. Throw on an X or spinning wild mouse type car and you have an Upchuck Chipmunk!

I wonder if it will always have no turns or if they are planned on the future prototypes. I have a feeling S & S is going to lead the way with spin and puke rides and coasters. Before I think S&S gave a Frog Hopper to every park that bought a tower. With the flat rides they will give out puke buckets!

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Okay, doesn't the pretzel manuever on S:UF produce exactly the same forces that an outside loop would? I mean, you could easily imagine the train doing exactly what it does, simply replace it with a sit-down train and place the track under it. Of course, there might be a difference in how people react to forces in a prone vs. sitting position, so if anyone would care to comment...

The pretzel on S:UF and an outside loop would produce very similar forces. It is the orientation of the body to these forces that would be the big difference.

On S:UF, your prone position allows the forces to be spread across your whole body. Not much happens when blood is forced from your stomach to your back.

The problem with an outside loop is that the forces would be focused (in the case of the S&S cars) on the tops of your shoulders. Blood would be forced toward your head. Think of the pressure behind your eyes if you've ever hung upside-down for more than a few seconds. Now think of that pressure multiplied by the g-forces (2x, 3x, or more). OUCH!

I'm not saying it couldn't be done. I will, however, agree with most here in saying that if done, you would want to keep the speeds low to reduce g's.

Later,
EV
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In the latest addition of Amusement Today, it talks about a custon Tsunami being build. It has a vertical lift, 95 dgree drop, high banked tunr somewhat resembling a Stengel Dive, a loop, and a helix. It looks pretty sweet, and they have a layout of it too.

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Where's the link to that one?

There is no link, and I don't have a scanner. It's actually in the $4 paper addition, not on the Net.

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LocoBazooka--Sevendust, Nonpoint, Stereo Vent, Mushroomhead
Korn Tour (With no name)--Korn, Puddle of Mudd, Deadsy