Does SFMM Need Another Coaster Next Year?

Friday, September 6, 2002 11:29 AM
I was thinking about this one. If they open a new ride next year, X will still be the most popular ride in the park. Lets assume that its an Intamin Woodie. People will think its an "old wooden coaster" and make X a greater priority to ride.

X is still getting great reviews and is attracting a lot of people to the park. So what exactly is the point of putting something new in?

Now then, there is the issue of the record. SFMM obviously wants it (or at least to be tied for it). Building a new coaster just to keep the record seems like a very strategy just to keep the "Most coasters" advertising campaign going I know the management knows what they are doing, but I have to question if that money for the new ride could be put to better use within the park.

The point is that X and Deja Vu haven't been open long enough yet to lose their marketing appeal. Both are generally agreed to be good rides, so what will adding another coaster accomplish?

By the way, this has nothing to do with who should have the record or anything of that matter. From a buisness and financial standpoint, do they need a new coaster next year?

*** This post was edited by CoasterFanMatt on 9/6/2002. ***

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Friday, September 6, 2002 11:39 AM

CoasterFanMatt opined:


From a buisness and financial standpoint, do they need a new coaster next year?


Answer...no, from a business and financial standpoint they do not NEED a new coaster next year...will they build one anyway? It's anyone's guess - except for management and the Lemon Chill Guy - they are the only ones who know.

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Friday, September 6, 2002 11:54 AM
I am convinced that they will build one (and have heard from "people that know" that this is true), but until the announcement is made, we can't know for sure.
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Friday, September 6, 2002 12:04 PM
What kind of coaster seems the most likely? Intamin hyperwoodie (PLEASE!!!)??
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Friday, September 6, 2002 12:28 PM

Does SFMM "need" another coaster? Probably not. Would I like to see one? Yes I would. SFMM needs a reliable coaster with acceptable capacity, a crowd pleaser.

I'm also going to disagree that installing a new coaster would have anything to do with maintaining a coaster record. For one thing, that's not going to fly with investors given the current state of the industry. "Hey guys, don't forget we need to spend another $15 million at the Mountain so they can keep up with that park 2,000 miles away".

Secondly, people seem to coveniantly forget that both X and Deja Vu are 2001 coasters, the fact that they were delayed has nothing to do with the future plans of the park. It's not an "excuse" to change anything. 2003 is still the park's normal(every other year) building timetable.

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*** This post was edited by OutKast on 9/6/2002. ***

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Friday, September 6, 2002 12:39 PM
Coasters that don't work are lawn decorations.

X was a 25 million one, that killed a great company.

They get to claim they have the most coasters, but when ya go only half of them are working, that kinna sucks.

*** This post was edited by heraldvanyel on 9/6/2002. ***

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Friday, September 6, 2002 12:46 PM

Um..... X is working.

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Friday, September 6, 2002 12:56 PM
OutKast....not so LOUD! Please don't "jinx" me on this one....I really need to get one trip before something "happens" to that *unnamed* coaster...still think it'll go SBNO again sometime, hopefully not TOO soon....
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Friday, September 6, 2002 1:04 PM

heraldvanyel - using your logic if 'Gator owns five cars that he can drive and I own six cars but only four are in driving condition then 'Gator owns more cars than I do?

Life isn't fair, and you don't make the rules for what constitues a record number of coasters. SFMM has 15 regardless if they all operate or not.

Moosh

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Friday, September 6, 2002 1:07 PM

The only thing you need to do is get your reptilian hide up to MB and ride one of the countries great hidden (imagine right in the middle of a tourist trap that is MB) gems. The Swamp Fox!! Tsk! To think you SAY you like woodies. IT was built by PTC for criminie's sake!!

Heh.. Good luck tomorrow btw.. :oD

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It's now college football season. The only thing that makes coasters take a back seat. This also means Rollergator is the enemy again... for 4 months.

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Friday, September 6, 2002 1:09 PM

well, *Mooshnick*, if I was a used car salesman, for instance, and I was ADVERTISING that I had the most cars, and then you show up at my lot to find that half of them are up "on blocks", would you say that there's a touch of *shenanigans* going on.....pretty sure I would....if SFMM wants to have 15, then by all means have ALL 15 up and running at one time at SOME point....

Really thought we'd get "a shot" at all 15 this summer, but then that lousy park in OH had to go and build one to tie the "beloved" park....

PS, please don't take this seriously, because if ANYONE is even REMOTELY delusional and thinks I want a CP/SFMM thread, they are SORELY mistaken....

edit: thanks Brian....despite ALL the press coverage, I really am NOT as "comfy" as some around these parts....they're the defending CHAMPS until someone knocks them off.....will it be "Da Gators"....you know I'm hoping so.....but I'm not nearly as "cocky" as some other fans might be...LOL....;)

*** This post was edited by rollergator on 9/6/2002. ***

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Friday, September 6, 2002 1:15 PM

'Gator - sure I would be upset, but it wouldn't change the fact that your claim, regardless of how dubious it might be, is indeed true. I probably wouldn't return to your lot, and I certainly wouldn't recommend your business to anyone. Seems to me certain parks are in danger of garnering the same reaction from their guests, but if that's the way they choose to run their business, so be it. I vote with my money.

In SFMM's defense, X was a prototype and I really don't see how the park could have anticiapted [nor enjoyed] all the downtime this year.

Back on topic - I wouldn't be surprised to see some new rails at the park next year as well.

Moosh - who does not want to start a CP-vs-SFMM thread either.

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*** This post was edited by Mamoosh on 9/6/2002. ***

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Friday, September 6, 2002 1:23 PM

well, 'moosh, I think that's my point.....you see me all the time talking about the all-important REPEAT business (so much, in fact, I think I'm hearing an echo) and about the importance of a positive perception....

X, certainly, was a HUGE gamble....along the lines of Sonny in my mind....and I highly commend SF for taking that risk....my *issue* is with counting up to 15 when to my knowledge, there hasn't been 15 running SIMULTANEOUSLY....if the park did anything at all about Flashback, then they COULD count 15 and I'd believe it....

either way, the MAX that I could ever ride at either park is apparently 14 (Goliath Jr. &. Gemini Jr.)....but I think the "most coasters" title is *PURE marketing* (read: BS) anyway and has NO impact on where I want to go....

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Friday, September 6, 2002 1:36 PM

I'm not arguing your point. In fact I agree. Marketing is a game of semantics, plain and simple.

Moosh - anti-semantic

PS - I have Goliath Jr as a credit...NYA NYA NYA!

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Friday, September 6, 2002 1:37 PM
The way that i see it is the more coasters the better.-------------
For those about to ROCK, WE SALUTE YOU!!!!!
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Friday, September 6, 2002 2:34 PM

Should they? no. Would they? probably.

SFMM should really think about improving the quality of the park before putting in another coaster. They could start by removing those awfull horsecollars from Revolution.

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Friday, September 6, 2002 2:37 PM
The Mountain needs some good low maintennance wood. 'Tied' for most coasters in the world and yet there are four other parks in California with better WOOD, a CCI, a GCI and two P&C. That's just my opinion, I could be wrong.
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Friday, September 6, 2002 3:21 PM

There are many parks, not just SFMM, that prove that quantity does not equal quality.

But we also have to realize that as enthusiasts we often think like one. Those not involved in our hobby see things quite differently. A coworker of mind just said to me today "When can we go to Magic Mountain? I wanna ride some good coasters!"

I deadpanned to her "Then you want to go to Knotts."

She replied, "But Knotts only has a few coasters, Magic Mountain has so many more and they're way better."

THAT is how a non-enthusiast, once-a-year park guest thinks.

Moosh

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Friday, September 6, 2002 3:25 PM

Mamoosh -

About what you said to your friend "Then you want to go to Knott's."

Ugh. No.

GhostRider and Xcelerator (hell I'll even let you throw in Monte) can not even TRY to equal Magic Mountain in roller coasters.

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Friday, September 6, 2002 6:25 PM

Moosh, honestly you might be in the minority when you suggest Knott's arsenal of coasters is better than SFMM. Each have great coasters but besides SFMM lack of wood, their arsenal is more well rounded. SFMM has almost every type of popular seating configuration. (Stand-up, invert, Hyper, multi-looping sitdown, etc...) SFMM also must be applauded for the innovative nature of a lot of their rides. Most enthusiasts know about them so I won't bore anyone by listing all the revolutionary aspects of SFMM coasters. Also, a few of their coasters must be recognized as having very creative layouts especially IMO Goliath and Riddler's Revenge and obviously X. Granted I have said alot in the favor of SFMM, don't suspect me of being some biased fanboy of SFMM (I live in Boston), I just feel sometimes the park gets a terrible and underservingly so rap by some buzzers. Don't hate, congradulate.

Still SFMM has nothing even close to rivaling the marvelous Ghostrider. But don't hate , congradulate. We are enthusiasts, we are allowed to sample and love any coaster we want. Keep the prujudices away from your passion.

I hope this won't ignite some sort of flame, its really petty and not necessary.

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