Does Arrow make Hypers or STS anymore?

Wednesday, June 18, 2003 8:37 AM
Just wondering if Hypers or Shoot The Shutes are still part of Arrow's product line. The web site doesn't offer either in their products pages. Just curious?

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Wednesday, June 18, 2003 9:29 AM
Give them a check, and they'll make anything you want.

It may not be a featured product, but I doubt they'd turn away $10 million in this economy.

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Wednesday, June 18, 2003 9:42 AM
Chutes?
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Wednesday, June 18, 2003 9:42 AM
S&S Arrow could concievably build another hyper, but probably wouldn't with their current technology. The Magnum(beefed-up RAT) chassis are running bewond their design limits as it is, and there are other manufacturers that can build a much better ride due to more recent design effort. The STC's (shoot-the-chute) were problematic right from the start especially with a wet upper trough, hopkins rides are just as crappy but at least they had the sense to run a dry upper trough. Arrow STC restraints need to be completely redesigned, the boats leak terribly....hmmm.. the log flume rides are good! but they were designed back in the sixties and are lame!.. I think you had better wait for an Xv2 or maybe an Arrowbatic!
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Wednesday, June 18, 2003 10:41 AM
I think the whole idea of the S&S/Arrow/CCI-remains company is to offer everything under the sun when it comes to amusements. Therefore, I would say that they'd still build a hyper or chutes ride if the check cleared.

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-Rob

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Wednesday, June 18, 2003 6:25 PM
So is the answer yes or no?

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QAF's season finally is this coming Sunday. What's going to happen to Ted and Emmit?

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Wednesday, June 18, 2003 6:29 PM
If the check cleared, I'd make hypers, too :)

They don't appear to offer those rides, but since they experience with them, I'm sure they'd be willing to do a custom job for someone if they asked nicely enough.

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Wednesday, June 18, 2003 6:31 PM
What In don't get is that both of those concept were first in the industry and there not holding onto their bragging rights.

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QAF's season finally is this coming Sunday. What's going to happen to Ted and Emmit?

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Wednesday, June 18, 2003 7:40 PM

Evil Coaster Designer said:
The Magnum(beefed-up RAT) chassis are running bewond their design limits as it is...

Uh, according to who?

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Thursday, June 19, 2003 5:13 AM
If it is running beyond its limits, how come they built the Pepsi Max Big One and Desperado, both coasters larger than Magnum, after that?

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-Rob

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Thursday, June 19, 2003 6:25 AM

Rob Ascough said:
If it is running beyond its limits, how come they built the Pepsi Max Big One and Desperado, both coasters larger than Magnum, after that?

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-Rob


Lets not forget the Steel Phantom...and wasnt there another?

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Thursday, June 19, 2003 6:31 AM
Uhhh gee jeff,

I only worked there for ten years as as a mechanical designer. The original RAT (run-away-train) chassis were designed for 30mph speeds The pepsi Max chassis failed within the first two years and were modified by Blackpool along with the down drop without Arrow design approval. Also the Desperado chassis started breaking up within the first six months of operation and had to be extensively reworked by fabriweld. If you look at the desperado chassis you will notice huge gusset plates welded on the 2nd and 3rd chassis wings to help bleed off energy into the main chassis tube to help prevent cracking. There are even problems with the road runner express at fiesta texas and it's a mild ride. The guide wheels are grinding off because there is track geometry that the vehicle can't handle. The Rat/Magnum has a fixed front axle and a rear swing axle but the wheel carriers will not translate bank angle without scrubbing the guide wheels (the guide wheels on the roadrunner express are made of nylon to help slow the process). There have been improvements over the years, The rear swing axle limiter used to be located on the bottom of the floor-pan, now there are limiter tubes bolted onto the chassis, and main axle spindle muts are now "bearlock nuts" instead of fomoco nuts and a locking tab washer.but all in all the design is three decades old. Just think about the comparisons as if you were buying a car.

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Thursday, June 19, 2003 6:54 AM
Was that in English?
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Thursday, June 19, 2003 6:57 AM
I don't doubt that the old RAT train chassis (chassi?) are outdated, going by what you said... I just question why Arrow continued to use them for so long if they were as outdated as you claim?

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-Rob

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Thursday, June 19, 2003 7:16 AM
I have nothing to add to this discussion, except that the plural of "chassis" is "chassis." ;)

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Thursday, June 19, 2003 7:21 AM
Thanks! Clears that up...

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-Rob

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Thursday, June 19, 2003 7:29 AM
The first answer that comes to my mind is from another topic going on right now - they had to get a product out the door fast so they wouldn't go under, so they fudged it and decided to fix it later when it became a problem.

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Thursday, June 19, 2003 7:48 AM
Right!

Arrow has been in financial trouble since 1993, they havn't had the resources to redesign the magnum vehicle. All R&D effort had to be focused on coming up with something new IE: mad Mouse, Arrowbatic, X anything new, that would draw the parks interest.

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Thursday, June 19, 2003 8:02 AM
Considering that the RAT coaster design had been an Arrow mainstay for so many years, you would have thought that they would have completely re-engineered it, or at least modified it, so that they could continue to use it. They were blind to the fact that their hyper coaster concept would become the RAT of the 90's, so it seems. To think of how much better off they would be today if they sold hyper coasters to half of the parks that currently have them in their coaster arsenals!

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-Rob

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Thursday, June 19, 2003 8:07 AM
Arrow to me just seems like the smart guy with no common sense (something I can relate to) of the coaster world. They come up with great ideas, but they have no business sense, they cut corners on things they really shouldn't, they get in over their heads, and they just come off looking like the laughing stock most of the time. It's kind of sad that B&M and company basically rely on stealing the basic concepts and making them better, but hey, that's business!

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