Do racers count as 2?

Monday, March 19, 2001 4:35 PM
Do you guys think that racing coasters count as two coasters?

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Monday, March 19, 2001 4:49 PM
I believe that many people will agree with me when I say, "Hell No!"
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Monday, March 19, 2001 5:08 PM
I count a racing coaster (IE Gemini) as one, since the tracks are identical, just mirrored. Now, stuff like Dueling Dragons I count as 2 since the track layouts are different.

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Monday, March 19, 2001 5:14 PM
I believe we have had a thread like this before and Jeff stated that if you wanted it to it can count as two. Personally I don't think it should.
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Monday, March 19, 2001 5:15 PM
I think that if they are on the same track, they are one coaster. If they have two tracks, (whether mirror image or not) they should count as two. Most people won't agree with me, but that's there opinion.

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Monday, March 19, 2001 5:22 PM
I would agree that if they are a single track, a.la. Kennywood's Racer, they are one ride. (Technically, if it's one big track, you'd have to ride TWICE to actually ride the whole coaster ONCE.)

CP's Gemini, I personally would count as one since the tracks are for all intents & purposes the same; I see the point though that if they are two separate tracks that they would be counted as two. How about Demon at PGA and Demon at SFGrAm, or any of the Vekoma clones? Exact same track, yes, but definitely would count as different coasters. I don't think anyone travelling from OH riding S:UE then going to CA to ride V2 would say they just rode one.
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Monday, March 19, 2001 5:22 PM
Well the Racer at Kennywood is just one track with two stations.
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Monday, March 19, 2001 5:42 PM
Let the debate begin!!! :)

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Monday, March 19, 2001 6:47 PM
My official stance:

Single and double-track "racing" coasters, such as Gemini and Kennywood's Racer, are one coaster.

"Deuling" coasters, such as Dueling Dragons and Lightning Racer, count as two, since they're different layouts.

Again, that's my official stance. I certainly realize, though, that this argument can be made: "If you count double-track racing coasters as one coaster, why do you count each boomerang/Batman: The Ride/impulse coaster/etc. separately?"

The answer, my friends, is simple...

I don't know.

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Monday, March 19, 2001 6:48 PM
If you consider identical tracks as one, then wouldn't you have to call all of the boomerangs and SLCs one coaster as well?
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Monday, March 19, 2001 7:10 PM
Ok, how about this.

We count clones separately because we had to travel to get to them ;)

If I ride Gemini, get off, walk around, and ride the other side, I've just ridden the same layout twice with no effort.

If I ride Face/Off at PKI, get in the car, drive to SFA and ride Two Face, that's a bit more work...

And of course, if I go to IoA, ride Fire, get off, walk around, and ride Ice, I've just ridden two different rides, so it counts twice.

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Monday, March 19, 2001 7:35 PM
You could count some "racer's" as "dueling" coasters to begin with. They are not Mirrors or clones, because you cant make two of the same exact tracks and put them side by side to race. I will use my Gemini in this instance.

Both tracks give 2 different ride experiences

Tracks vary in speed and banking, well illustrated by the 3rd turn. (Red Banks Higher)

I believe they are different length, but never heard it officially before. Why? The blue track I think is longer because it take's the outside on 2 wider radius turns. As we increase the radius, the outside track will travel father than it would on a smaller turn. The first turn(s) toward the lift are at a very small radius, and turn 3 may be smaller than both 2 and 4. Blue takes the outside on the bigger turns.
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Monday, March 19, 2001 7:35 PM
I think that racing coasters count as 1, and dueling coasters with different tracks count as 2.
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Monday, March 19, 2001 10:06 PM

GregLeg said:
"Ok, how about this.

We count clones separately because we had to travel to get to them ;)



What if a park, for example; wanted to place 2 Vekoma Boomerangs in their park because of the low capacity. Would they be counted as 2 coasters? If the boomerangs at 2 different parks are counted as two coasters, then how come the park with 2 boomerangs could not count them as 2 coasters? IMHO, they should be able to count them as 2 coasters. Now apply this to a racing coaster.

Personally I don't really care. Though, it is fun analyzing stuff like this for fun. Yes, I have no life. *** This post was edited by sfmmman2001 on 3/20/2001. ***
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Tuesday, March 20, 2001 4:57 AM
I'd love to get involved but I'm too busy counting the angels dancing on the head of this pin...

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Tuesday, March 20, 2001 5:43 AM
Gemini is debatable...the layout of the two halves is basically the same, but it has two independant ride systems - the two halves can function totally independant. Example: Gemini-red has a proximity sensor fail causing the safety system to 'set-up' (all brakes 'set', lift shuts down, controls lock out), Gemini-blue is totally unaffected, and cotinues to run normally...

In my opinion, the Gemini could be considered 2 rides, but for reasons diffrent than Dueling Dragons and Lightning Racer...
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Tuesday, March 20, 2001 5:52 AM
I count parallel tracks (Gemini, Colossus, S:TE[don't go there]) as one coaster. The subtle difference in track length is not enough (for me) to deliver a completely different ride experience.

If the tracks are sepreate (Gwazi, Twisted Sisters, Matterhorn) then it is 2.

sfmmman brings up a VERY good question. I would guess that if the queues were seperate and each was named differently, then they would be 2 coasters. If they used the same queue and had a single name (like "DoubleBoomer") then they would be one.

BTW: Number of angles that dance on the head of a pin = 2

Lynch said:
"Matt Lynch, who doesn't care about whether something will go into his track record once or twice as much as whether it'll go in at all...:)"

Very well said, Lynch. I agree 100%!
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Tuesday, March 20, 2001 8:00 AM

CP-Dustin said:
"Gemini is debatable..."
Since CP marketing doesn't try to pull a fast one, I'll go with one ride, as they count it.

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Jeff
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*** This post was edited by Jeff on 3/20/2001. ***
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Tuesday, March 20, 2001 8:44 AM

Soggy said:
"I count parallel tracks (Gemini, Colossus, S:TE[don't go there]) as one coaster. The subtle difference in track length is not enough (for me) to deliver a completely different ride experience.

If the tracks are sepreate (Gwazi, Twisted Sisters, Matterhorn) then it is 2."



I agree. Only argument that makes sense

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Tuesday, March 20, 2001 8:49 AM
I agree with the general statements. Parallel racers ie gemini count as one dueling ie dueling dragons count as two.
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