Disney worker killed
Hopefully this will help the characters in development on new costume and float designs that allow for better visibility. Sometimes you can't even see anything out of those heads, especially the ones that have eyes that can fog up easily (Mickey, Minnie, Chip, Dale, Pluto, and many more).
That said.......
Do we laugh at horrible or uncomfortable situations because we can, or we should? I think it's both, personally.
Hell, I hope that when I die, it's the sickest way possible so everyone remembers I was the one "who was disemboweled in a bizarre bungee fall/accident." I will die, so I might as well liven up the place. ;)
On a side note, I guess I might very well be banned from this site for making these comments, but I do feel this way.
BTW, the only thing funnier would be if he survived and was photographed in the operating room with a Donald Duck gas mask on.
Oh... and the answer to the first question? A tree.
*Commence uncomfortable laughter now.*
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nasai said:Oh... and the answer to the first question? A tree.
*Commence uncomfortable laughter now.*
Wow. I don't know if I should laugh, or be immensely disgusted. It was pretty funny, though, not to be crude. *** Edited 2/13/2004 3:56:50 AM UTC by TTDTom***
But you know what? No matter how sad that day was, and again... I was there.... everyone was thinking the same things. People weren't saying it out loud, but were wondering.
"Why the hell did she do that?
She was 30 years old, and knew better."
All the same old....
My point in the comment is that people think it, but don't say it because the populace considers it offensive from day one. I don't. Hell, I thought the joke up. By that evening, there were tons of Tamar jokes by everyone around the campfire.
Is that right? Probably not.
Is it human to live another day? Yes.
The Flying Turns makes all the right people wet - Gonch
This was an employee of an amusement park we are talking about here. We could have a lot in common with the deceased. I remember the horror we all feel when a fellow coaster lover dies, and this to me is the same thing.
Just think of how many children and adults he performed for an a daily bases, and how many of those people he put a smile upon their face.
Just think how tragic it must be for his friends and family to have lost a loved one so suddenly and without reason.
It's not a movie.
Shame on you all.
Do I have any concept on how to grasp death yet? No, not really. Quite frankly, it terrifies me. I'd never been to a wake before senior year of high school and in the past year and a half, I've been to eleven. And it never gets easier.
Regardless of whose loss it is, we have to keep in mind that it is a loss. The loss of a human life, which is something that we hold so very dear to us. We are blessed that we hold such reverence for human life, when there are millions of people around the world who are so quickly willing to give it up.
That being said, there is no right or wrong way to approach death or to mourn -- nor should anyone feel they must preach to and force their way upon others. I'll admit that my last wake, I found my grieving friends and started telling jokes and funny stories, just to see them laugh. We all deal differently.
But when we make a deliberate joke in the name of the deceased, there's a code of decency that we've crossed. The wound is still open, whether you feel the sting or not, and when you make that crass joke, you're slinging salt -- and you don't know where it's going to land.
All I'm trying to say is there is a visible and obvious line. Out of respect for those who do feel strongly about this loss, it's just common courtesy to stay on the right side of it.
Let anyone who wouldn't have roared with the rest of the theater were this a fictional account throw the next one.
Do you know what Krispy Kritters are? I do.
That's what firemen of a certain major metropolitan city call the charred remains of people they find.
Tasteless? Insensitive? Horrible? To who? We who sit at our desks with Cokes and Fritos at our fingertips? Are we the ones who have to identify the bodies? To take photographs? To tag them? To inform their weeping survivors of their untimely demise? Who are we self-proclaimed, armchair heroes compared to those who face death every day?
How many of you have provided critical care for people that had little or no chance of survival? How many of you have broken the news to a patient's family that the odds of survival aren't slim, but virtually none? How many of you have do as little as simply read death summaries (different from a hospital discharge summary due to the outcome) for a living? If you don't do any of those things, you really aren't qualified to do more than shut your cake hole...cuz I'll tell you what. You'll find twenty times the gallows humor amongst those circles of people.
It's always gonna be here. It's not going anywhere. To be honest, it's among many coping mechanisms. And any of you who are actually in these situations would know.
-'Playa
*** Edited 2/13/2004 8:20:04 AM UTC by CoastaPlaya***
NOTE: Severe fecal impaction may render the above words highly debatable.
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Early in this thread, Zero-G took a long shot and said what he was thinking. Others chimed in. I think it just took someone opening the gate for the others to feel comforatable walking through it.
Also the situations are very different. The Tamara thread seemed to be much about sorting out what really happened, what could have happened. Was there fault? If so, who? Of course there were plenty of the generic "My prayers and thoughts are with her family" comments that seem so insincere (to me at least) and get posted just because it seems like the "right" thing to do. It was a totally different discussion that went totally different directions.
Nasai said it really well with:
"I was there.... everyone was thinking the same things. People weren't saying it out loud, but were wondering."
The jokes, the humor as coping - it's always there. It's just that this time someone had the guts to say it and when they did, we found that many people felt the same way.
I think side by side that this thread is more meaningful, interesting and above all, more "true", than that thread even came close to being.
Gemini states:
Where was all the humor and philosophical debate last June? If that wasn't the time or place, how is this?
I reply that had Mrs. Tamar been in a Goofy outfit before she stupidly plunged to her own demise, that would have been humorous! The poster who talked about chalk lines around a Pluto body while the seven Dwarfs are crying away was funny. Some people deal with death differently---I guess!
As for Mrs. Tamar, it was just a stupid act that did not have to much humor to this community. It reflected poorly on all of us. Her stupid actions brought shame to all geeks (myself included) that join these coaster clubs. There was not too much to laugh about.
There is a difference between being mean and being funny. If you have a sense of humor, you already understand. If you don't, I can't help you.
Needless to say, it is the cartoon outfit that made this funny. If you do not want people snickering and making wisecracks about any untimely deaths you may have coming your way, may I suggest you don't dress up in cartoon outfits............................
P.S. I'm one of those guys that deals with death all the time. I work in hospitals and home health. Keep the stones a coming!
However, to die in accidents like these are much harder to accept to those involved. If you've had an aquaitnace that's near your age die, it isnt as easy to accept as someone older. I mean, if everything goes right, we should all bury our parents/grandparents, but I do grieve for anyone that has to bury their kids, especially after seeing how it affected my other grandmother.
So what am I saying? If you (and by you I mean in the plural, not calling anyone out) feel that you can find humor in death situations, go right ahead, just understand that there will be others who are at the opposite end of the spectrum.
lata, jeremy
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As always, IMO, YMMV, yadda yadda...
As Gonch said, thanks to Zero-G having the guts to speak his mind instead of do the "expected", this thread's a lot more realistic. Realistic in it shows the feelings of the two "camps" here and realistic as no one (at least no one who finds the situation funny) is expressing fake sympathy or regret, which personally I feel is more of an insult to those affected than laughing about it.
I'm also one who didn't participate in, but did read the Tamar thread, but that's cause I wasn't about to stir the proverbial ... poop ... by chiming in about how I absolutely did not feel sorry for this person that was killed by her own stupidity.
Speaking of Comedy Central - I have an MP3 of a comedy act by Dave Chappelle and one of the things he goes off on in this hour-long set is how much it pisses him off when someone who's fake makes you fake. I think that's a lot of what happens in threads like this, but this one isn't fake, and that's good IMHO.
Plus as an added benefit, I'm now a "bad guy" so I can feel free to actually speak my mind from now on ...
When my Aunt died, it was completely unexpected. I was deeply saddened by it and my mother, who was very close to her, was absolutely devastated. She couldn't sleep for two months and was an emotional wreck. It was important for us, as her family, to be there for her during this time.
One of the best remedy's of the situation was humor. You see, as my Aunt got older she began to get a little, for lack of better words, funny. She used to say the funniest things and after she died, it really helped to continue talking about them. It was a good way to cope with the loss. We ran through countless stories of how she made us smile and laugh. It was something that made us all happy.
Now... THAT is the kind of humor I thought was okay. Instead of mourning why don't we laugh about the good times? However, some of you seem to think making a joke out of the situation is a great cure.
When my Aunt died, it wasn't expected or planned. She was at her house alone and got caught in her easy chair as she was getting out of it. When she fell she broke her hip. Not too long after she arrived at the hospital she died. It was very odd and completely tragic.
I don't find anything funny about this whatsoever. I also don't think making a joke out of this is a "normal" thing to do. It would only make me feel worse.
That's why I don't understand how this "humor" is in any way a good thing.
Tamar dying was not funny. It was sad. It was because she was naive. She didn't know that undoing her seatbelt was undoing her safety. If she rode this way prior to that particular ride, then it was foolishness, as she knew the potential outcome.
We deal how we deal, though. I wasn't going to say anything negative then, as the community as a whole wasn't prepared for it. Not that this fellow who died deserved any different. I do feel for his family, as they are suffering needlessly, and not from any fault of his own. He didn't deserve to die. Nobody really does, except for murderers, rapists, and molesters.
Still, how he died has (sadly) humorous overtones to it. I'm sorry, but his death, however sad, and his way of dying, however interesting, is morbidly funny.
As Playa said, gallows humor (now, I am joining forces with an surly black man)... That's what it is. You aren't going to convert me to your way of thinking, and how dare anyone tell me this is how I should think. You can berate my thinking or actions, but I don't care. This is my style, and my hott asian wife thinks it's cool, so neener, neener, neener. ;)
Rob
The Flying Turns makes all the right people wet - Gonch
nasai said:
Tamar dying was not funny. It was sad.
See, if I had to pick which is funnier, I'd pick "dying by stupidity" over "dying by accident." I guess that's just me.
*** Edited 2/13/2004 6:22:29 PM UTC by Gemini***
Walt Schmidt - Co-Publisher, PointBuzz
Yes, it was an accident, regardless if it was naivete or foolishness. There was no suicide note.
The Flying Turns makes all the right people wet - Gonch
Closed topic.
