Disney announces or teases a ton of attractions at D23

Universal will have a 4th dry park, Cedar Point will be on Top Thrill 3 and Michigan's Adventure will have a new flat ride before all of this is ready.

WDW enthusiasts: "WDW never gets anything new!"
Disney: "Here's some stuff we are thinking about for WDW."
WDW enthusiasts: "No, not that!"

Meanwhile at Tokyo the most expensive expansion ever...

And a cruise boat gets more creative theming than WDW has in years...

How JD survived the Iger return still baffles me.

I'm good with most of the news Disney announced, would be surprised if more than half of it comes to fruition, and am aghast by the Country Bear Jamboree news. If I can't hear Big Al signing "Blood on the Saddle" and instead have to listen to some country version of "Let it Go" I pass.

-Grumpy Old Disney Fan

BrettV:

Universal will have a 4th dry park, Cedar Point will be on Top Thrill 3 and Michigan's Adventure will have a new flat ride before all of this is ready.

Remember when Wizarding World was closing in on opening and certain doom was predicted because Disney was "doing nothing"? They barely recovered, right?

aghast by the Country Bear Jamboree news

The fact it's not being bulldozed is a big relief, I kind of like the concept, to me CBJ is very of its era, whereas the Tiki Room is kind of eternal.

And lol at GM redoing Test Track, Figment meet and greet is the biggest Epcot, besides Moana and the new Cummincore finally being done.

No fixing the Imagination Pavilion, the Play pavilion is still closed, and the UK Pavillion still no help.

The "fans" who complain are ridiculous. Having recently hit our 10th anniversary of moving here, we were looking at old photos and it's crazy just how much WDW has changed in that time. When we landed, Seven Dwarfs Mine Train was still under construction, and there was certainly no Avatar, Star Wars, Toy Story, not to mention a bunch of individual attractions or the Epcot re-do that's almost done. It's so different.

I'm most excited for Test Track 3: The Ghost of World Of Motion. I always liked the practical, garage-like feel of Test Track 1, but the current version feels cheap and boring.

Im not bitching about what has been done, but what has been promised and backtracked, and budget cut.

I do find it interesting this year they highlighted that these are ideas in motion and not concrete things...

And that they actually showed off just how much Oriental Land spent right to the face of the WDW crowd.

Seven Dwarfs Mine Train

Almost everything being built in Tokyo was in the original Fantasyland Redo concept art, every major princess would have her area, and don't get me wrong B&TB and the Mine Train are welcome, but not what was teased and hyped.

Josh is getting close to Musk on overpromising.

Toy Story

Again more budget cuts led to an underwhelming experience.

Obviously, Avatar and Galaxies Edge cost a mint, and are top of the heap, Just be the gold standard everywhere like Tokyo, or just deliver what you peddle to the D23 crowd.

My main problem is as always Epcot.

Play Pavillion is still just closed, UK Pavillion is still just a pub, Moana really should be in Animal Kingdom, and that cool Multi-story multi-function pavilion, now just a set of one-story rectangles. Also the whole Harmonius debacle.

Granted once Oct passes and the refurb we have gotten opens it could all gel, and its definitely more money than Eisner ever spent.

You keep trying to make it sound like you're different, but you sound just like every other whiny Disney "fan". The average person that shows up and keeps the lights on at WDW has no clue what was announced at D23 and they'll come anyway. All of the "promised" Epcot additions you're so upset about were announced pre-COVID. It's obvious that things changed just a little.

Sharpel007:

Im not bitching about what has been done, but what has been promised and backtracked, and budget cut.

That's the worst kind of entitlement.

Also, if only something happened around 2020 could explain why so many plans for so many things changed.

Sharpel007:

Im not bitching about what has been done, but what has been promised and backtracked, and budget cut.

I do find it interesting this year they highlighted that these are ideas in motion and not concrete things...

You just explained it to yourself. I think going forward, Disney is going to do less "official announcements" until they have started construction or finalized a plan because when things change, everyone complains that something was cut after it was announced. So you play it vague until you know for sure. I don't see a problem with doing it that way.

Personally, I like the Bay Lake Tower approach. The DVC Guides kept claiming that The Big Tower did not exist for months after it went vertical.

That's the worst kind of entitlement.

Then don't peddle it to your hardcore fanbase at an extremely expensive convention (I have not and will never go to a D23 convention) and then act surprised they constantly bitch about it when you don't deliver what you sold them.

They are precisely that hardcore and get even more hype because you squeeze all the profit you can off this nostalgia/merch/event/planning hype feedback loop.

Disney created this beast on this level and keeps feeding it, is all I am saying.

Also, if only something happened around 2020 could explain why so many plans for so many things changed.

I think Universal resumed construction well before Disney, and is nearly done building a whole park, and multiple hotels, while Disney took 6 years to build a clone, redo a plaza, and a very well-themed splash area.

Actually, I think Chapek and Iger fighting and moving Imagineering and creative management, and etc, on top of Covid is more important to this all.

There is a reason Joe Rhodes, and multiple career long Imagineers left when Chapek took the helm.

I believe he was referring to your complaint that promises were broken, not your equally entitled complaints about slow construction.

A lot of you don't realize I like to play devil's advocate and express where the Disney hardcore is coming from.

I believe he was referring to your complaint that promises were broken

Apparently, you didn't read my D23 bit then. You literally have the worse false Steve Jobs announcing all this stuff at a really expensive annual convention, designed to keep you in the Disney Parks Cult, and when the people in the cult point out you cut something from last year or dropped it altogether or didn't deliver it on time, or match precisely the artwork, loose their ****.

We coaster outsiders just read a news article. We don't take a week off work, buy $200 in merch, and lord knows how much in event-only food.

equally entitled complaints about slow construction.

Also, how is pointing out it took them 6 years to build a clone entitled? Even by American park Disney standards, it's insane.

DisneySea literally built an entire land with about as much theming and attractions as 3x Galaxies Edges in the same period and started a year later.

Because it takes as long as it takes. Disney doesn't owe you or anyone else anything and, if you think they do, speak with your wallet. The second it hits their bottom line, they'll change, but the truth of the matter is: most.people.don't.care. The ones that do are part of the no fun crowd and they need to take a deep knee bend while making plans to move out of their parents' place. Don't want to be disappointed by the fun company? Stop setting yourself up for disappointment.

Sharpel007:

Disney created this beast on this level and keeps feeding it, is all I am saying.

Sounds to me that, based on your account, the problem is the creatures that keep eating. I mean, when a product stops meeting my expectations, I stop buying it. This apparently does not apply to the Disney malcontents.

I've been saying this a lot on DISboards: Vacations are supposed to be fun. If I'm not having fun, maybe it's time to go sit on a beach in Aruba or something. Or I guess I could just bitch about the fact that it's not fun instead.

Aruba sounds better though.

(And as an aside $400-$600 for a three day conference is very much not "extremely expensive.")