Deja Vu fixerupers?

Tuesday, February 18, 2003 12:18 PM
Over at screamscape, it was rumored that DEJA Vu (don't know which, if any) is getting new trains with straight rows to increase loading. Anyone heard anything about this, I guess it would be good, the seats are just pointless. Also, have these things been working well lately. I really enjoyed my ride and hope that they can get it going as well as possible.
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Tuesday, February 18, 2003 12:21 PM
The rumor was about SFGAm's SIB, and I agree that it would be a fantastic idea. I won't believe it until I see it, tho. FYI, SFMM's version has been running very consistently.

Moosh

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Tuesday, February 18, 2003 12:38 PM
Or maybe they could rearrange it Invertigo style? Never been on an Invertigo so I'm not sure if that configuration would work for the vertical lift and drop. But wow, it'd be fun...:)

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Tuesday, February 18, 2003 12:38 PM
There is not enough room between rows to change it to "invertigo style."

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Tuesday, February 18, 2003 1:06 PM

I believe they were talking about the Deja Vu at SFGam
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Tuesday, February 18, 2003 2:22 PM
Well if this were true, wouldnt they get new trains for all 4 GIB's?

SFMM packs in the crowds just like SFGAm, so any help in loading capacity would be a plus.

Moosh, SFGAm's DV is running pretty consistently as well. At least for the last 3 months of the season.

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Tuesday, February 18, 2003 2:34 PM
I hope they don't do that because I think those seats are pretty cool. They might be the cause of low capacity but there's only a few kinds of these trains. And yeah SFGAm's Déjà Vu has been working pretty good.

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Tuesday, February 18, 2003 3:04 PM
All I know is I thought the DV trains are possibly the single dumbest piece of theme park engineering ever! It slowed down loading so much, and confused everybody I saw! I just don't get it...

I would LOVE if it got "regular" 4-abreast trains. :)

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Tuesday, February 18, 2003 3:14 PM
Stunt Fall has straight seating
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Tuesday, February 18, 2003 3:16 PM
No it doesn't

Damn, when I was editing Chitown beat me to this pic!

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Tuesday, February 18, 2003 3:16 PM
Anders, It does? Can I see a picture of the seats because all the pictures i have seen are of the "V" shaped trains.

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Tuesday, February 18, 2003 3:17 PM
Doesnt look like straight seating to me. Check this pic.

http://www.rcdb.com/installationgallery1369.htm?Picture=14

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Tuesday, February 18, 2003 5:14 PM
I actually like the DV seating, only because it gives you more rows that have the visuals. A group of 4 can ride "in front" all at the same time, and a group of 2 can take row 2 and still get the visuals and the wind effects without waiting in the extra long line for 1 (because most people assume you can only get a good ride in 1). Kinda like Intamin's "stadium seating."


On the other hand, the rest of the train is absolutely ridiculous in terms of all the seat belts and restraints and just the bad seat configuration.

Just slap some impulse trains on there. ;)
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Tuesday, February 18, 2003 5:28 PM
They can't fit 4 across in the station, can they? I'd still rather have 3 across seating over that wacky off set seating.
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Tuesday, February 18, 2003 6:11 PM
Give me Face off seating so it fits the theme more and i'd be happy.

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Tuesday, February 18, 2003 6:58 PM
A couple points:

1) What really slows down the loading are the seat belts. I don't think that changing the trains would quicken loading significantly. So, the question is : Is it possible to remove the unnecessary seatbelts? In my opinion, even with the seatbelts, it's a very insecure feeling up there. I don't think they help much -- in fact, feeling your waist pressing against the belt probably adds to the "hanging" sensation.

2)As Chitown asked -- Why would they only do this at SFGAm?

3) I actually like the seating, because every seat is an "outside seat" in the sense that there is only one person next to you. But I do agree that it is reidiculous that in order to get to the far outside seat, you must climb over the row behind you.

4)In conclusion, now that the ride seems to be running fairly well, I'd be nervous if they made any major alterations.

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Tuesday, February 18, 2003 7:18 PM
Kevin seems to have a point - the slowness of the loading at SFGAm last summer seemed due to the "pull down the orange restraints. No, no, the orange restraints. Check. Oh, d***, who pulled down the GREEN ones?!?! I said the ORANGE ones!! Release. Check. Ok, now fasten the orange restraints, and the orange ones only..."

Changing the seat configuration would not only be costly for the park (hence taking away from new ride/theming/staffing possibilities), but wouldn't seem to accomplish much. Plus, the ride i had was in the back on the outside, and i thought it was very airy (and very scary! =P).

And perhaps i'm wrong, but wasn't the whole reasoning behind the "V-shaped" rows due to patent issues with B&M inverted rows? The same reason Giovanola inverteds are big enough for 4 seats across, but only have 2? I seem to recall this discussion awhile back, but maybe i'm mistaken.

Besides, what do i know. I just ride 'em!

~me

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Wednesday, February 19, 2003 4:31 AM
I don't think the 4-abreast thing has to do with patents...how about Euro-Star?

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Wednesday, February 19, 2003 4:54 AM
Euro-Star was built by several companies, among others GTec and Intamin, two companies who closely cooperate with B&M. So there might be a patent..

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Wednesday, February 19, 2003 5:19 AM
Why would they do this on only one of them? I'll tell you. It's called a test. Ever hear of that? When Premier came out with the lapbar seating for their launched rides, did all of their rides get it done at once? Why would they do that for the 4 GIB's? If it is done at only one place and does not significantly increase capacity, then they save the money that they would have spent on the other 3 trains.

It's not the staggered seats that slow this ride down, it's the unnecessary lap belt that most riders don't know is there, combined with having (usually at SFMM) one ride op per side slowly checking restraints.

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