Lord Gonchar said:
All that whole episode did was point out the people that:
1. Have no clue and vote anything up.
2. Vote anything up that pertains to Holiday World.
It was like a crazy detector.
Actually, that episode was when I found out I couldn't "un-vote" something....I was checking to see who had up-voted one of the "Dan" (?) posts when I accidentally added my name to the list....
There's a note in your file. :)
Tekwardo said: If you're getting your feelings hurt, then perhaps forums aren't for you. Annoyed at someone is one thing, but beyond that, it's just the internet. Some people take this site and this community way to seriously.
I think this is a really funny sentiment coming from you and the way you've behaved in and regarding debates with others in the past.
In general, I would think that saying, "Hey man, you know the internet? You're doing it wrong!" isn't likely going to help anyone shape their participation. Even with a steadfast disclaimer that tells them they shouldn't feel bad about being called out by name for everything they've ever posted.
If you want to turn it personal go ahead. Or get mad and stop posting again. Again.Last edited by Tekwardo, Tuesday, April 23, 2013 8:07 PM
Tek, I read your post and am not ignoring you. You called me out, so I can address that. I just don't know what to say.
And that's fine. Nobody likes criticism.
I DO try to be really nice here because I don't like to be rude and unwelcoming.
Again, being nice on here is fine. That's not a problem at all. But if someone is doing something that really kind of goes against, or isn't looked fondly upon by the community at large, and you're encouraging them (and in your case, mostly because you don't necessarily get it either) is doing someone a disservice. Patting someone on the back and saying "You're special in your own way" when most people are groaning isn't helping someone to grow.
There are people here that I almost can't stand, but I respect that they are part of this community online as much as I am, so I try to treat everyone kindly.
Treating someone kindly is fine. But pushing them along for no reason and saying good job, again, doesn't do them or you any favor.
I've also thought about the fact that I may meet some of you someday, so I should therefore tried to live with the "can't we all just get along" thinking.
But in real life, not everyone likes everyone they meet in person. Doesn't mean you have to like everyone you meet here. It's no different than real life.
I have been noisy lately, and it is usually not my style as badly as it has been in the past month or two. Also, I DO need to calm down on the voting button.
Okay, so you've acknowledged it. Actually, I know you've acknowledged it before. People have pointed it out. It's up to you to decide how to go further.
Honestly, I have caught your semi-snarky, condescending little quips and thought that perhaps I had done something that made you angry, and I was trying to be even nicer as a result to smooth over the offense. So I'm not clueless, at least not about everything.
Note that it isn't just me. There have been plenty of other people that have made comments. Like I said in the initial posts, the issue has been, for me, you've seen that people have made comments. You've thusfar chosen not to react to them. That's fine. I'm not saying you have to. But know that the evolution went from trying to steer you to making snarky comments to finally actually saying something pointed. Gonch did the same thing, he just didn't name names.
It's not about being nicer or smoothing things over, it's about learning and taking criticism as far as you want to or not. If you choose not to, then expect people to point out when you're getting on their nerves.
Oh, and for the record, I'm not crazy, fake, or stupid either. Just so we're clear.
I didn't say any of that. I simply stated I think you're trying to hard.
As a final example, and then I'm kind of done, I saw a recent post that you one upped, then quoted the person you one upped and simply replied with 'ditto'. Then the very next post was by you and kind of furthered the conversation. I'm not going to go in to why I think that wasn't necessary, because I think we're getting to the point, again, where you can take the criticism and decide what to do with it.
It wasn't meant to be an attack on you. You really do come across as a nice person. And if it were just me, I probably would have just continued with snarky comments when I got annoyed. But when it's more than one person, and it is, I have no problem being direct. Would you rather me be direct at this point, or continue to feel like I'm being condescending?
As much as I don't want to drag this out, I think that we can all agree that bunky is hardly the worst offender.
Let's recap the thread: the original poster discusses something that, despite it's alleged geekiness, is a legit topic of conversation. People instead focus on his ponies joke, which seemed to be little more than an offhand comment, rather than the actual topic. The OP, not knowing better, takes the bait which people who should've known better should've avoided leaving out for him. The same people whose posts hurt my brain (and this coming from someone who doesn't profess to be among the wiser or more intellectual members of CBuzz) then begin self-deprecating humor wondering why they aren't being called out for being what they are. Thread derails in a very unfunny manner as opposed to the usual hilarity, and then leads to a discussion on the quality of self-moderation. Honestly, a good thread derailment could lead to pages of genuine hilarity, but this one got all annoying as opposed to humorous until a new, proper topic that did indeed warrant discussion (self-moderation) took over. Unfortunately, even that got a bit harsh, and bunky, somebody who was called out, really had nothing to do with this disaster. Bunky gets publicly called out in a thread where she really didn't do anything wrong save the "Ditto" reply.
I'm just saying that a private message or two could've eliminated the better part of this thread and likely been more effective, because honestly, there were people that weren't called out that are far more responsible for making noise around here than some who were, and on the subject of self-moderation, they've been called out repeatedly and aren't getting it. If you've got a guy admitting he's expecting to be called a noob and still having the gall to post it (thus giving away that he knows his reputation), you've gone past the point where calling them out like this (which has been done to them before) is going to have any measurable impact.
As for the belt, I thought it was actually kind of nifty, though I don't think I'd wear it as a regular accessory.Last edited by sirloindude, Wednesday, April 24, 2013 1:16 AM
Like other people have said, it's a good idea to ask your self how your post helps the conversation move along. Some noise is pretty fun sometimes. It's like a commercial break, amplifying the conversation when it comes back around. Maybe ask yourself if a topic seems too noisy. If it does, maybe it's not a good idea to add more noise to it. I've been trying to follow that line of thinking lately.
I like everyone here, and I find no one to be annoying except maybe when they first start and don't know how to play the CoasterBuzz game. They need to be taught the rules, just like Uno or Monopoly, before they get any good at it.
People need a chance to fit in. I'll even help them if I really like them. Instead of complaining, we should be mentoring.
When you get offended or annoyed about a non-personal comment that has nothing to do with you here on CoasterBuzz, you are projecting your own mood into the message. I'm not saying that I haven't done this ever. I'm just pointing it out.
Why would anyone want to hurt someone that they talk to online on a regular basis? Don't be a cranky-pants. Be kind to each other.
I think that's all I need to say concerning this derailment.
Like other people have said, it's a good idea to ask your self how your post helps the conversation move along.
I started asking myself this last year, and didn't post for 6 months. :D
People need a chance to fit in. I'll even help them if I really like them. Instead of complaining, we should be mentoring.
I agree, and I think that's where Gonch's comment about teaching vs hazing comes in. People have different styles of mentoring. I always look at you and a few others as the 'welcome wagon' becuase everyone new that comes in you welcome.
Others try to steer the conversation along and answer questions. Then there is trying to steer people back on track when conversation strays or gets too noisy.
The problem recently, though, is the 'lets all vote each other up and make each other feel good and post as much as we can' attitude by some newer and/or less seasoned or experienced members. Steering the conversation politely or with sarcastic/snarky comments didn't really work. Trying to be firm but not so direct that someone isn't name checked didn't work.
I kinda feel like the peace and love and everyone should love each other approach didn't really work. I'm not the only person. Sometimes people need to be told bluntly, and then they can decide how they want to go forward.
And really, there was a time that several core members, most of which aren't here anymore, were far tougher on new posters. Some even down right bullied people. At least Gonch & Myself were coming from a place of trying to be constructive. I think this was far less about 'complaining', though, and finally coming to terms that sometimes you just have to be blunt.Last edited by Tekwardo, Wednesday, April 24, 2013 9:45 AM
To summarize: Ask yourself if what you wrote before pushing submit advances the conversation, or it just appears as noise, me too nonsense, something that fits in the "recurring crap we don't allow" rule, or is especially masturbatory in nature. Above all, don't try so hard.
"Don't try so hard" - the best advice for this place. I didn't even know what I missed until I back read this topic, and I will have to say, there's a lot of good points.
I feel like CoaserBuzz needs more "Coaster" and less "Buzz". This site should be about coasters, but mostly it is about how to post and blah, blah, blah. I get what you're saying, and I'm glad this website is so serious. I haven't been posting a whole lot in the last day or so because we haven't been talking much about coasters anymore. Sure, I love this site, but the "Coaster Season" has started. Get to coasters, and stop buzzing people about there failures to talk like they should in a forum. Yes, there should be order and rules, but the way the rules are communicated to people are distracting people from the true purpose of the website.
It's not that there's an issue with talking about coasters. It's that we want to talk about them in a way that mature adults have a conversation, because there are enough coaster sites out there for teens that aren't as strict about it, and from experience, most of those sites die or see massive changes in membership every few years as people grow out of the fanboy stages. It's annoying to have a conversation with a bunch of "SkyRush roXorz teh big 1111!!1!!!" comments strewn throughout, and Jeff and the membership here have elected not to go that route. I think you can attribute this site's high activity levels for a coaster site to the decided-upon quality of conversation.
Also, this website is probably far less serious than most. I've never known a site that is so accepting of conversations that run off on tangents and such. There's just a way to do it without things getting stupid, and too many people that don't know how to differentiate between when a certain joke is appropriate or not are trying to throw their jokes in when they shouldn't be doing so.
Tyler Boes said:
I haven't been posting a whole lot in the last day or so because we haven't been talking much about coasters anymore.
We've found the beast's weakness. Alert the other forums and proceed with caution.
Seriously though, your post is exactly what we're talking about. New guy/noismaker telling the established 13-year social group how to do things. That's not how it works. You don't change us. You don't have the luxury of stepping in and telling the rest of us how to act. We've been here acting this way sincle LONG before you showed up. You watch how we do things and decide to try to fit in or you decide it's not for you and move on.
Tyler's overall immaturity has been betrayed significantly through many of his previous posts, but never so thoroughly as it was in this latest post.
Don't you get it guys? You're here for HIS entertainment. Talk about coasters!
I have said before and will say it again...I think many of you are reading Tyler wrong. Though, we are indeed here for his entertainment.
I was under the impression he was here for yours, Carrie. ;)
You're all here for my entertainment. ;-)
I wasn't going to jump in on this one, but I will say, I think one of the biggest differences in the last month or so of noise and the previous 10 years or so is that a critical mass of noisemakers showed up at almost the same time by coincidence (or maybe it's just a recurring pattern at the start of each season and I never noticed it). It was enough that the noisemakers could actually carry on a very noisy conversation which almost looked like it was contributing but without any meaningful discussion.
Often, new posters don't have anyone to echo their noise so they realize they're the odd duck and go away or adapt. In this particular case, the noise became a positive feedback loop.
the noise became a positive feedback loop
That's exactly it. I couldn't find the right way to say it, but yes.
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