Cross-dresser sues Cedar Point

No Fear - though you're not going to post any further in this thread, I hope you'll at least read this. I'm not sure why, exactly, but if you don't, there may not be any reason in my writing it.

The issue I take with your sentiment is precisely something that cannot be changed, nor even alleviated in the slightest regard. It's odd in that way, and it's something that I struggle with on a very personal level.

That is, your statement, "I and the majority of others find such practices disturbing," indicates that you've assigned yourself a level of importance higher than other people. I understand it's not with the intention that you feel you deserve it, and that you are better than those around you, but rather that it's an unavoidable characteristic of opinion.

While I don't agree with your sentiment, nor do I think it's reflective of society as a larger whole, I do think it's important to note that your feeling about this situation is legitimate. Without getting too metaphysical or anything, it has to be legitimate, I think, for my own feelings to be the same.

So, while you may find such behavior disturbing, I don't think it's at all unfair for me to say that I find your sort of behavior disturbing. Perhaps not while we're in the park together, but, in that vein, I certainly wouldn't want to expose children to the sort of thinking you've put forward in this thread. To be fair, even, it's not solely something you bear the responsibility for, and your serving as an example, rather than a scapegoat.

But, who am I? What makes my feeling more important than yours? Nothing, as far as I can tell. That's why, ultimately, should I run into you in a park, or on the street, or online, I'll have no desire to kill you, or see your kind wiped from the Earth. If your inclined to act the same, you, and perhaps the rest of society, will have no problems with me.

It's only if you decide that you're more valuable than me, or that I'm not worth the same time, effort, or compassion that you may be that you'll run into a problem. I don't see that happening, though.

So, I hope that you can see what I mean. I know it's all a bit esoteric and flighty in some sense, and it obviously has no real, easy solution, but it's something that I try to consider when I deal with all people. If you haven't yet, maybe you could?

~Maddy *** This post was edited by Chernabog on 6/20/2002. ***

Hi folks, I have stayed out of this discussion so far but would like to share something.

I don't know if this has been brought up yet (I don't feel like reading all these posts!) This person came back to the park last Sunday dressed in a wig/evening gown again, but this time had a friend with a video camera. Security calmly showed him the park's costume policy in print (they must have been prepared) and offered for him to change or leave with refund. Again, he chose to leave with refund, and without much incedent.

I don't feel like reading this long discussion to see if that had been mentioned, but thought I would share if it hadn't been brought up. I did not learn this until today, and it changed the way I felt about this. Coming back a second time, more extravagantly dressed, armed with a video camera is just asking for trouble, in my opinion. (I don't care about the cross dressing issue here, regardless of that this whole thing was about to begin with, this most recent "visit" to CP was just plain crappy and just asking for trouble)

I know this type of discussion can get easily out of hand, but just thought I'd share what happened this past weekend.

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- Peabody *** This post was edited by Peabody on 6/20/2002. ***

Personally, I would have to say that the Point took the right action in expelling him from the park at the time.

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Brett Stevens - Webmaster/Producer of www.OnRideCentral.com
-"Providing High-Quality Roller Coaster Photos and Top-Notch Information." *** This post was edited by Brett Stevens on 6/21/2002. ***

Bob O said:"And im proud to say my children are being brought up to be staunch conservatives!!!"

And with that comment, I truly feel sorry for them.

Im starting to notice that some *lurkers* on here, only respond to threads that spark heated debates???

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Dayuum, Your HOT!

Well perhaps this guy's behavior was simply too flamboyant, and if that was the case, then I would expect them to eject him as quickly as I would expect them to eject someone who was shouting slurs, or hate of some sort at people. I mean, if he was flirting with all the straight guys who were there with their families, and people complained about him, then they were right to eject him. But if people complained about him simply because they didn't want to see a man in a dress, then they were wrong to eject him. Either way, I agree that showing up again, in even more outlandish attire, with a video camera of all things, was a very bad move on his part. Especially if he was only doing this for the money. He'll have a very hard time proving some of his allegations now, and he'll most likely lose his case, if he can even find a court that will accept it now. Too bad, so sad, there's the boa, honey!

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If you build it, they will come! *** This post was edited by Iron Draggon on 6/21/2002. ***

Just as a long side note, after some pause and reflection, perhaps I am about to open my mouth wide and insert foot (which some of you may be thinking "again"). So here it goes in my best attempt to elaborate further in the spirit of open discussion.

I do not think hurling insults or assuming the worse, is in anyone's best interest. I do not like it when it happens to me, and I try not to be that way around others, but yes I realize that some of what I beleive is equally offensive to others in the same way I have already elaborated about theme parks having the right to set standards about conduct including cross dressing and etc. in amusement parks - which I hold as the main point of my elaborations.

I did not intend to imply by the use of "I and the majority" as a qualitative/value assessment of someone else, but only in a quantitative sense. In all fairness to those whom I feel have at least heard me out thus far, if certain legislation passes in the Federal Goverment then I would have to probably say that what I beleive would not be the majority view. But I do not let whether or not I am in the majority or minority determine my self worth. To loosely paraphrase Eleanor Rosevelt -No one can make you feel bad without your permission. (from the video "Princess Diaries")

However, it is without apology that I admit there is no way I can hold the view of certain actions in amusement parks without first having made a values decision regarding the actions and way of life. And as I reread the "pro" supporting posts, I feel that such a thought process can be equally established in through the passion of how they expressed their point of view.

While even though I may not show up when green eggs and ham are being served, and you may not want to show up unless they are, or you plain just don't care . . . It would be a darn shame, and a loss to both of us, to not share with each other what do we have in common, "A PASSION FOR COASTERS."

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Not All Coasters are Created Equally *** This post was edited by No Fear on 6/22/2002. ***

I believe that someone discussing this topic stated that this may just be this man's hobby. My hobbies, when not riding coasters, involves hunting and shooting sports. I am sure that if I showed up at Cedar Point one day in full camo, head to toe, camo makeup on my face, the whole thing, just as I would be deer hunting in archery season, I would not be allowed in to the park or asked to leave shortly after entering.

What if I had a shirt made up with a picture of myself and a trophy deer that I had just harvested. I am sure that some young children would be upset that I was wearing a shirt with a dead bambi on it. Some or their parents would complain and CP police would ask me to change my shirt or turn it inside out.

I most certainly would not be allowed in the park dressed in my shooting vest with a shotgun over my shoulder ready to shoot skeet or sporting clays. I would most likely be arrested.

I believe these examples (I know the last one is out there but helps to make my point) to be the same as the man with the dress. An amusement park is not the place for me to express or display my other hobbies and it is not the place for a cross dresser to express his. Why insist on doing someting in public that others find offensive.

I go into the woods to hunt, a range or sporting clays course to shoot, a golf course to golf and an amusement park to ride coasters. If this man wishes to where a dress, he needs to find a place were he can enjoy his hobby.

A second thing to consider is that CP may have removed him from the park for his own safety. Unfortunately, there are people out there that would do this man harm. Remember Matthew Shepherd?

The park is just not the place for this activity. If you let this man do this, what will the next person try? How far do you let it go?

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The worst day at Cedar Point is better than the best day at work.

i wonder if the park would escort me out, or ask me to change for wearing t-shirts that say, "wanna ride a woodie?", or "so you think you can ride me?", both of these shirts were bought at magic springs theme park, the first slogan is for the arkansas twister, the second is for the Big Bad John mine ride. both of the rides stats are plastered across the back.

being from south arkansas in a town of 20k, i know of about 8 men who dress in frilly things, some in public-more power to them, others in private. although dressing up is not my cup of tea, to each his own. i have never refused any customer of mine service for the way he/she was dressed, or told them to leave because of their attire, and i agree if you can't deal with society today stay at home with the blinds pulled down.

all people are beutiful in their own way, and we should respect our differences.

I am a 19 year old cross-dresser! how dare ANY of you to try and judge this man negatively. When I go out in the clothing that makes me feel beautiful, it is not a costume... it is MY life style. OH, what if he goes in the bathroom? DEAL WITH IT! Would you flip if a guy in a kilt walked in? NO. so CHILL out, the only reason a lot of men are afraid of cross-dressers is because we're beautiful, and you're afraid to fall for us and not know that we are actually men. And he, like MOST cross-dressers, probably doesn't have a hilly billy beer belly hanging out over his girl jeans, most of us take great care of ourselves, I am a size 0, because i stay healthy! So before you decide that cedar point did nothing wrong, go put on dress, see how you feel, or are you too afraid that you may never want to take it off?

*** This post was edited by violet_beauty_queen 5/22/2006 3:01:22 PM ***