coincidence or on purpose?

CP was in the clear heading into 2001. Also CP cranks out over 3M guests anually whether they offer new product or not.

SFWOA has yet to operate at a profit, and I doubt they have even dreamed of hitting 3M anytime soon. Their attendance declined last season although they added X-Flight and has continued that downward trend this year.

Parks can pretty much chalk up a decline in attendance in a year when no new product is added. However in SFWOA's specific case, the attendance drop began last season and has continued on. Whereas CP has seen an increase in attendance this year over last.

Shaggy

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Shaggy

R.I.P. Maestro
Phantom Theater 1992-2002

Ummm.... SFWoA was up about 110% in 2001, i believe the number was only 350,000 behind CP. SFWoA had about 2.75 million in 2001, not down at all. As for 2002... the seasons not over, SFWoA attendance is down 6%, if my math is correct thats 2.18 million. Bad but still much better than other SF parks.

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Since Jeff made Track Record a "perk" for CB members i'll just post my count here: Coasters:99 Parks:14

What established trade magazine or stock portfolio are you quoting?

Wow, 110%, that's amazing and seems so hard to believe ;-)

Shaggy

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Shaggy

R.I.P. Maestro
Phantom Theater 1992-2002

That doesnt count attendance from 2000 of both SFO & SWO though. I think SWO got 1.8 million and am not exactly sure what SFO got , but its close to 2 million. Its actually down if you count both parks in 2000, but up if you only count SFO.

Sorry if my post above was misleading and sounded a bit far fetched, i just forgot to mention the info above...

i am sorry but racers are two, are clones that share the same name two? YES and rottin lumber is not a clone, they are veyr different tracks on has air and the other does not one is smoother then the other and so on and so forth. they are different and are different coasters nuff said. but gadv great america and magic mountain have a lot in common. What suprises me though is that magic mountain got a gio instead of a beema for the hyper. since great adventure does have te highest attendance in the chain in front of magic mountain and the rest six flags does like this park more imo. Magic mountain started earlier and theirmore has more rides at this point. That is why i think six flags decided to go for the record at that park instead of great adventure, i think that great adventure with it's rediculous amount of land (over 2000 acres) and huge amount of attendance (philly and ny and packed suburbia northern jersey) will eventually become the mega park in about ten years and six flags will probally try to put as much muhla in it as possible. it is evident with the seprerate water park and safari they are trying to make it a mega resort. With the winter lights some serious stuff is gonna be going on in nj. I would not be suprised if a completely new park and some couple hotels open soon. The place is rolling with money , is popular, well designed, and ready to expand. Six flags Great Adventure will soon be the mother park in the chain above magic mountain imo. I just wish they would fix rottin lumba.

Tell me where at Magic Mountain do you see an LIM coaster? I've never seen one, and don't say the answer that I think you're going to say because no S:TE isn't LIM, it's LSM.

Isn't the Bay Area bigger than Chicago Metro? Or does the Bay Area not count because it the Metro of three cities(San Francisco, Oakland, and San Jose).

To answer number 1:

SFStl, Ninja;

SFDL, Viper;

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Lake Compounce-So Fresh and So Clean Clean

Vertigo, Ninja is a Vekoma creation *not* Arrow.

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Shaggy said:

You know, SFAW is a reall oddity. My home office is based in Houston and of couse all the folks there all know my interest to coasters. I have never once heard a person there speak poorly of SF Astroworld. As a whole, the GP there (as far as I can tell) think it is a terrific park and the rides are just fine.... they just don't go. I went to the park last year while on a business trip and the very next day the folks there were waiting with baited breath to get my reaction. When I was less than enthusiastic, they were in shock.



My cousins from Houston came out to visit me in NJ and we decided to take them to SFGAdv. I would ask them questions about SFAW and they said they enjoyed every minute at the park, and didn't say anything bad about it. The only thing they said was the rides at SFGAdv were much more exciting than SFAW and didn't want to leave. Sometime I might go down and visit them and use my SF pass to see SFAW. :)

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Millenium Force Maniac. please read my post clearly when I post it up. Is said all three have HAD a standup. SFGAd did have a standup before, and it was an intamin, which was also from Magic Mountain. Though it doesn't have one now, it did before. Also, where the heck did you hear anyone talking about SFWoA with a standup? CPgenius never said anything like that.. So bascially, I wasn't misinformed, just had more knowledge of the history of some park's histories. Don't worry, CP isn't the greatest.

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Anyone care for some roast beef?


Canadas Coaster Drew said:
Vertigo, Ninja is a Vekoma creation *not* Arrow.

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The Other Siebert



Ninja was both Arrow and Vekoma. One designed, the other manufactured it.

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Lake Compounce-So Fresh and So Clean Clean

Actually, in regards to the Ninjas, Vekoma manufactured the track and Arrow built the trains. Its funny that alot of Arrow loopers have Vekoma trains and most Vekoma boomerangs have Arrow trains on them.

At the time, Vekoma and Arrow had a partnering agreement to make that style of coaster track. Vekoma basically paid Arrow for the right to use the Arrow tubular steel track. I think Vekoma still pays Arrow royalties to this day.

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I hear a train a comin'
Comin' round the bend :P
TR2k3....GET READY!


Chris Godsey said:
"I think Vekoma still pays Arrow royalties to this day."

If they do, then they are very stupid. Any patent on the track technology of say, KBF's former corkscrew would have issued at the latest in the early seventies. With the then 20 year patent terms in effect, they would have long since expired (if Arrow even paid to maintain them for that long...which I doubt). I'm sure there are subtle differences between the track in Silverwood's Corkscrew and say PKD's Anaconda, but I doubt it was much.
later days,
jeremy
--who reminds all that patents are NOT "lifetime" monopolies..they *do* expire (some earlier than others)

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