I don't know if this was discussed before, so, if it was, you can maybe point me in the right direction and close quickly. These questions really pertain to PKI, PKD, and PC. I was just wondering if the FOF's, RRR's and Ricochets are clones of one another. I think this has been discussed before, but I can't remember. I would like to visit PKD and PC in the next two years. I was just wondering for my track record. No, I don't brag about my record, it's just for personal tallies.
I believe that PKI's King Cobra and PCW's Sky Rider are identical, however one of PKD's Shockwave's last turn arounds goes to the left turning away from the rest of the circut, while the turn arounds on the other two coasters go to the right and back into the circut of the rides.
Antuan, the Grizzlies are definitely not clones. The original in VA is incredible. Fantastic airtime/laterals, and a surprise out your seat up against the lap bar tunneled bunny hill.
KECO wanted a family version for PGA, so they redesigned our version to eliminate any speed/airtime/laterals/excitement from the ride. And to make sure it sucked as much as possible, Morgan trains w/ the square wheels you noticed.
What I'll never understand is if KECO wanted a family woodie for PGA, why didn't they just build a Scooby Doo clone? At least those are fun and have some airtime.
Hmm, I last rode PKD's Grizzly back in 96', was still awesome. But recent reports I've heard haven't been so favorable. What did they do to it Homey G? Leave it to Paramount to ruin another good woodie.
Gator, totally agree about the stand-ups. I even thought Togo's, which everyone seems to hate, way more entertaining than PGA's Vecoma rough Vortex.
MG...you *enjoyed* PKD's Sh**wave? And here I was thinking you were a reasonable man, LOL...
PKI's Togo was good, PCW's I've yet to ride, but PKD's lands somewhere *below* my worst five steelies EVER....;)
edit: Regarding PKD's Grizzly....yes, I did ride it "in the before time", and it WAS a better ride. Now, (if you wait 'til the sun goes down) you can still get some of THOSE rides...we got 'em during Con last year, and any coaster Moosh RUNS back into line for, is "that good"...:) *** Edited 6/24/2004 6:01:29 PM UTC by rollergator***
All of PKD's woodies are really in need of TLC lately. I'm usually not one to complain about rough woodies, but when Rebel Yell hurts, I definitely take notice. I rode Hurler in April, and it was in the worst shape I've seen yet. Grizzly's still running the best (even a good ride on the other two barely rivals a bad ride on Grizz), but it seems to have been poorly maintained the last couple of years. It's a damn shame.
You know, King Kobra was the first stand-up I ever had been on. I thought it was pretty intense. I especially liked the trick track and the water effect that was later removed. That was, until I got to Cedar Point for the first time in 2000. Then I rode the Mantis. After that, I thought, "Wow, King Kobra sucks compared to this." The B&M's do so much more, I was totally blown away. Mantis is still on of my favs at CP, no matter how many people complain about the headbanging. I've never really noticed that much headbanging until after the corksrew. My .02.
I'm usually pretty reasonable about coasters, gator. :) I don't really have that high of expectations for most rides, especially TOGO standups. I guess I was expecting worse from all the stuff I read about it here. I guess when I said I enjoyed them I should've added a disclaimer along the lines of "when compared to other opinions" or something like that... ;)