Coaster Clones of Paramount

Wednesday, June 23, 2004 4:26 PM
I don't know if this was discussed before, so, if it was, you can maybe point me in the right direction and close quickly. These questions really pertain to PKI, PKD, and PC. I was just wondering if the FOF's, RRR's and Ricochets are clones of one another. I think this has been discussed before, but I can't remember. I would like to visit PKD and PC in the next two years. I was just wondering for my track record. No, I don't brag about my record, it's just for personal tallies.
Wednesday, June 23, 2004 4:51 PM
The FOF and RRR coasters are clones. As for Ricochet, the PKD version is an extended Mack mouse while the PC version is a standard model. At least that's what I've been led to believe.
Wednesday, June 23, 2004 6:09 PM
And to add to that the fly (PCW) and Ricohoet(PKD) are clones also RRR and silver streak (PCW) are clones. Both hurlers are clones.
Wednesday, June 23, 2004 6:27 PM
Wild Beast and Grizzly are clones but Wild Beast is better.


Wednesday, June 23, 2004 7:14 PM
And don't forget Rebel Yell & Thunder Road. They are exact clones except for the train length on Rebel Yell.
Wednesday, June 23, 2004 7:51 PM
All the scooby doos/beastie were clones until carowinds took out the last bunny hop and made it just a flat section.

And the inverted boomarangs at PKI and PGA...........

Come to think of it.......paramount parks has a lot of clone attractions but tend to make the area around it a little different than the other!!

Wednesday, June 23, 2004 8:06 PM
Aren't all the Taxi Jams clones? I thought both Grizzlies were clones also, only that one runs on square wheels and has not been retracked since its inception.
Wednesday, June 23, 2004 8:17 PM
And which one is that? I thought they saved the square wheels for use on Hurler & Shockwave.
Wednesday, June 23, 2004 11:17 PM
I also heard somewhere that Vortex at PCW is the same as Top Gun at PKI. I think Sky Rider (PCW), King Cobra (PKI) and Shockwave (PKD) are all very similar if not the same.

EDIT: Let me also add that I don't think Paramount's clones are as obvious due to the different names and themes. *** Edited 6/24/2004 3:19:35 AM UTC by MarimbaGuy87***

Wednesday, June 23, 2004 11:27 PM
I believe that PKI's King Cobra and PCW's Sky Rider are identical, however one of PKD's Shockwave's last turn arounds goes to the left turning away from the rest of the circut, while the turn arounds on the other two coasters go to the right and back into the circut of the rides.
Wednesday, June 23, 2004 11:52 PM
Antuan, the Grizzlies are definitely not clones. The original in VA is incredible. Fantastic airtime/laterals, and a surprise out your seat up against the lap bar tunneled bunny hill.

KECO wanted a family version for PGA, so they redesigned our version to eliminate any speed/airtime/laterals/excitement from the ride. And to make sure it sucked as much as possible, Morgan trains w/ the square wheels you noticed.

What I'll never understand is if KECO wanted a family woodie for PGA, why didn't they just build a Scooby Doo clone? At least those are fun and have some airtime.

*** Edited 6/24/2004 4:02:39 AM UTC by jomo***

Thursday, June 24, 2004 2:55 AM
Jomo, PKD's Grizzly IS incredible. If you have a flux capacitor on your Delorian and can go back to the 80s.
Thursday, June 24, 2004 12:25 PM
The one "clone" Paramount has that they really should have passed on are those stand-up Beemas...I'm not a big fan of the stand-up genre, but those are the two most BORING stand-ups I've ridden...

Taer 'em down...and replace them with GA Scorchers...:)

Thursday, June 24, 2004 1:05 PM
Hmm, I last rode PKD's Grizzly back in 96', was still awesome. But recent reports I've heard haven't been so favorable. What did they do to it Homey G? Leave it to Paramount to ruin another good woodie.

Gator, totally agree about the stand-ups. I even thought Togo's, which everyone seems to hate, way more entertaining than PGA's Vecoma rough Vortex.

Thursday, June 24, 2004 1:32 PM
I may be a minority, but I tend to enjoy Togo Standups. I've ridden SkyRider (PCW) and Shockwave (PKD). The bunny hops at the end? I loved 'em. Better air than some woodies I've ridden.
Thursday, June 24, 2004 1:59 PM *enjoyed* PKD's Sh**wave? And here I was thinking you were a reasonable man, LOL...

PKI's Togo was good, PCW's I've yet to ride, but PKD's lands somewhere *below* my worst five steelies EVER....;)

edit: Regarding PKD's Grizzly....yes, I did ride it "in the before time", and it WAS a better ride. Now, (if you wait 'til the sun goes down) you can still get some of THOSE rides...we got 'em during Con last year, and any coaster Moosh RUNS back into line for, is "that good"...:)
*** Edited 6/24/2004 6:01:29 PM UTC by rollergator***

Thursday, June 24, 2004 2:24 PM
Jomo, all I can say is that 2 months ago, it ruined my image of those late 80s runs of complete joy.

Seems that they've done nothing to it since then. It was sad.

Thursday, June 24, 2004 3:00 PM
All of PKD's woodies are really in need of TLC lately. I'm usually not one to complain about rough woodies, but when Rebel Yell hurts, I definitely take notice. I rode Hurler in April, and it was in the worst shape I've seen yet. Grizzly's still running the best (even a good ride on the other two barely rivals a bad ride on Grizz), but it seems to have been poorly maintained the last couple of years. It's a damn shame.
Thursday, June 24, 2004 3:25 PM
You know, King Kobra was the first stand-up I ever had been on. I thought it was pretty intense. I especially liked the trick track and the water effect that was later removed. That was, until I got to Cedar Point for the first time in 2000. Then I rode the Mantis. After that, I thought, "Wow, King Kobra sucks compared to this." The B&M's do so much more, I was totally blown away. Mantis is still on of my favs at CP, no matter how many people complain about the headbanging. I've never really noticed that much headbanging until after the corksrew. My .02.
Thursday, June 24, 2004 3:54 PM
I'm usually pretty reasonable about coasters, gator. :) I don't really have that high of expectations for most rides, especially TOGO standups. I guess I was expecting worse from all the stuff I read about it here. I guess when I said I enjoyed them I should've added a disclaimer along the lines of "when compared to other opinions" or something like that... ;)

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