This should give a pretty good idea of where Burke and co's heads were at...
Can't spell bum or Burke without B-U.... ;)
BFSFA, we're not thinking in terms of what to do NOW, pretty sure Snyder/Shapiro are doing the right thing for the company *at this point*. More of an exercise in "Monday morning quarterbacking"... ;)
Psyclone is a fun coaster if you don't mind getting bashed around and can take a punch. I like riding it because there never is a line longer then 10 minutes when I go there.
I just don't see the big financial upside SF would gain from making possibly 200 million, even tax free, one time versus the money making potential of a park with millions of people pouring in through the gates.
You don't see it because that's not the point.
It's not about the financial upside of selling, it's all about the financial downside of keeping the park and attempting to 'fix' it.
Well, today he has NO debt, doesn't have to worrry about gas prices and car maintainance, and he's in the best physical shape of his life! Sure he misses his car, but he'll rent one for the weekend if it's ever really needed, and he rides his bike alot.
Imagine a SF, where you don't have to worry about SFMM and all the headaches that come with that park? *** Edited 7/3/2006 4:45:08 PM UTC by DWeaver***
I've heard Shapiro wanted to block Tatsu but it was too late and too much work had been done, contracts, etc.
I guess you just answered why it doesn't have a line. Most people like to avoid pain.
coastin' since 1985
Maybe I will download the last one and get even more flavor for the new leader of Six Flags.
But it seems that everyone else has also stated what I was also trying to say about the amount coming in minus the amount to run the park may not be worth the troubles and costs of trying to fix it to what you want it to be.
I said back in February that SFMM would never be a family park, and quite frankly, would never survive as a family park.
And I'll say this as well, the park does not *need* to be about families. It needs solid, consistant operations, good cutomer service, heightened security, accountability for the park rules by employees and guests alike, and some diversified attractions. And the park needs to be cleaned up. Bringing more attention to Hurricane Harbor wouldn't hurt either.
If the park is to survive, it needs an operator capable of doing these things consistantly. Families don't hate or avoid thrill-parks. SFMM just needs a makeover, and some clever marketing.
Families don't hate or avoid thrill-parks.
They DO hate filthy run-down dumps where operations are a nightmare and the employees hate their jobs...whether that's a restaurant, an amusement park, a hotel, or any other place of business... ;)
I guess that's an "amen"... :)
I maintain that SFMM could go the way of Atrosityworld, or could be given new life like GL. Perhaps I'm being beyond optimistic (given the property value and so forth), but I'd love to see the park somewhat restored, and cared for by someone with the time and money to do it. I honestly can't think of a reason why anyone would want to invest that type of money with only modest returns, but stranger things have happened.
Paramount's Great America now a Cedar Fair park? Who would have thought that was EVER possible.
If your are buying Shipiro's creative strategy of improving parks by selling them off to land development projects, then you can't call your self a true advocate of amusement parks. This would be the second park liquidated during Shapiro's short watch. My guess he has never had any plans to improve Magic Mountain. This has been seen as a big money making land deal by new management for some time I bet, and I think blaming unruly teenagers is an excuse to keep people investing in Six Flags.
I'd say from the look is things Six Flag's aggressive park take overs and ensuing billion dollar dept has now been followed by the worst possible outcome. Management scrapping these parks for slightly higher profit margins rather then selling to alternate park management wanting to keep the parks running for the fans. I guess if Six Flags can't have these parks no one will. And if that doesn't piss you off, then what the hell is up with you dude?!
For coaster fans it should be unforgivable for Six Flags to tear down the Mountain... Is that just my opinion?
*** Edited 7/4/2006 3:04:11 AM UTC by Hamster Boy***
I've always said I hope the park finds a new owner, even though I think it's doubtful, it certainly could happen, and that would be an awesome senario, as the park itself still holds loads of potential. *** Edited 7/4/2006 5:34:14 AM UTC by DWeaver***
? They sold off their parks in Europe, Ohio, Astroworld, Omaha and the are still in trouble.
Am I the only one lost as to what 6flags park was in Omaha? I'm not sure but mad I never knew existed.
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