Cedar Po!nt Flats

Saturday, June 14, 2003 4:49 PM
DawgByte II's avatar Cedar Po!nt is known for their vast collection of roller coasters... that is their main attraction, is it not?

My problem is their lack of flat rides throughout the park. You only occassionally come across one here, maybe one there... but their highest priority seems to be their coasters. They claim that they have like 70 rides, but 26 of those are just for kids, 16 are coasters, and 3 are water rides, 2 are transportation, and 3 more are classic-car-type rides. Which basically boils down to very few flat rides.

My question...
What was the last true flat ride that Cedar Point added (keep in mind, a flat ride is any ride that is not guided by rails, like a transportation ride, water ride... etc) besides Power Tower?

Do you think that they need a few more flats, such as the newer late '90's type rides or even the ones of the 21st century?
I was there this past week, and I noticed a severe lack of them... and it left me striving for something to ride besides coasters. I love Witches Wheel because any Huss Enterprise is a good Enterprise, but aside from that & Chaos, there aren't all that many that flip you upsidedown like the newer ones do, or even ones that make you really sick.

Do you think Cedar Point will ever get smaller-scale again, to cater to the crowd that wants something "inbetween" the coaster riding, and to help disperse the crowds from the hour+ lines waiting for their next coaster thrill?

Saturday, June 14, 2003 5:12 PM
I think Chaos was the last flat that they put in. That was around 1999. But look what they've put in since. MF, WT, and Dragster.

Look for them to put some flats in this offseason. I don't think they'll be getting another coaster next year.

Saturday, June 14, 2003 6:39 PM
Camp Snoopy would be the newest flat rides, all of which are kiddie rides.

Chaos is the newest 48" and up ride.

Never count out a new roller coaster for Cedar Point.

Saturday, June 14, 2003 6:45 PM
DawgByte II's avatar Chaos is that new? I never realized that.
I don't mind the coasters & all. I love 'em and always will...

I'm not really asking what's new for 2004 so as much as why Cedar Point hasn't really tried harder to get more flats, or replace older flats for new ones?

Some old ones are nice, but too "ordinary", such as Matterhorn or Scrambler... and those might be rides they should consider removing to replace with more modern rides.

Does anyone see that happening, or will they concentrate more-so on coasters?

Saturday, June 14, 2003 6:49 PM
I think that they should get a Huss Land of Giants or a group of flats next time they are planning to get a new ride. Yes the coasters are awsome but they do need some flats.
Saturday, June 14, 2003 7:02 PM
Lord Gonchar's avatar I believe Chaos was put in for 1997. I agree totally with the Land Of Giants. In fact I mentioned it on GTTP (page 5) a few days ago.

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Saturday, June 14, 2003 7:09 PM
They do need some newer flats, but they do have a pretty nice selection of the older ones.

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Saturday, June 14, 2003 7:32 PM
I agree with coasterphil CP has plenty of quality ol' style flats: scrambler, troika, calipso, monster, cedar downs, a huge rail line, etc. Maybe its because SFGAm is my home park (if you want to talk about a park that desperatly needs more flats...) but CP needs a new flat as much as they need a new coaster (which of course I believe they need). My point is that if CP adds a new flat, yippee; if CP adds a new coaster, a louder yippee! There are more parks that need flats more then CP.

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Saturday, June 14, 2003 7:36 PM
Jeff's avatar You bet they need some new non-coaster rides. PKI's Delirium and Giant Top Spin (Tomb Raider) only cause me to feel even stronger about that.

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Saturday, June 14, 2003 7:44 PM
I just want to clear one thing up with some of the recent posts: Cedar Point is spelled with an "i" not an exclamation point...

Anyways, what's a "Huss Land of Giants"? Is it like a whole flat ride package or something? :) That would be cool. Another cool flat ride I've seen is a gravitron (I don't know the real name of it - that's just RCT language). But the only place I've seen one is at SFOG. It was really fun. I really like basic carnival rides too (Huss frisbees, scramblers, rotor). Any one of those would be a great addition to Cedar Point IMO.

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Saturday, June 14, 2003 7:57 PM
I think they need more flats as well...and if their going to add another coaster next year (highly doubtable), they need it to be family friendly...like a mouse for example. Us thrill seakers have been getting new things time after time (which is nice, don't get me wrong), but if they want to come across as a family park (which they do) they need to add more family type coasters...like a mouse for example. Yeah, they got a kiddie coaster in 1999, but they need one like wildcat...something the younger ones will enjoy, yet the adults will get some fun out of it too...
Saturday, June 14, 2003 7:58 PM
DawgByte II's avatar Ok... say "IF" Cedar Point happened to get any new flat rides...

Who is a good reputable manufacture?

Huss? The have excellent Giant Rides, but their other stuff isn't all that new with the exception of the Fly Away, of which to this date, only has 1 in existance at a park.
Chance? Ha ha... you'll find a better deal in the back dumpster of a McDonalds restaurant!
Zamperla? Although they seem to cough out a lot of kiddie rides, they also make great rides... but how reliable?
Mondail? They make excellent rides. Take a look at PCW... but I think PCW didn't like them for some reason and moved to Huss.

I wish Cedar Point actually would go "Old Skool" and have retro-rides from the early 20th century... kind of like how Kennywood has their "Lost Kennywood" section.

Saturday, June 14, 2003 8:12 PM
The Mondial Top Scan is a top-notch flat, but I would question if its capacity is suitable to somewhere like Cedar Point. Maybe Dueling Top Scans ;)

Beyond Huss' Giant Rides, I'd really like to see somewhere stateside install both a second Jump and their new Topple Tower. I wonder if we'll see anyone take the plunge on the entire Land of the Giants package until the four rides have been individually installed at different parks. In that case, someone's going to have to pony up for a Delirium.

Zamperla's tour-de-force *should be* the Windshear. It's an intense ride, though, and wouldn't do much for families. It's a great time for those of us more inclined to unrelenting physical torture, though.

Chance? Meh. I don't think I much like anything Chance markets.

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Saturday, June 14, 2003 8:43 PM

RollerJunkie said:

Anyways, what's a "Huss Land of Giants"? Is it like a whole flat ride package or something? :) That would be cool. Another cool flat ride I've seen is a gravitron (I don't know the real name of it - that's just RCT language). But the only place I've seen one is at SFOG.


SFOG has Nothing Close to a Top-Spin.

This is a Gravitron.

Land of the Giants is a Great Deal where a park gets a whole bunch of Giant Huss Rides. They've evan worked out a nice Site Plan for it Here.
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*** This post was edited by Dukeis#1 6/15/2003 12:45:57 AM ***
Saturday, June 14, 2003 9:45 PM
Oh okay, but if you'll look at what I put in paranthesis: (I don't know the real name of it - that's just RCT language). I have no clue what they're called. I guess what I'm thinking of is a Top Spin? I don't know, I could be wrong. What you're referring to is what I thought was called a rotor.

Anyhow, I think I'll switch subjects completly and say what I think CP's new coaster should be: A new non-record breaking dependable B&M flyer. That's what they need. Their last 3 coasters have been Intamin, and B&M seems like it was lost in the 90's. Sorry for de-railing this topic - but my prediction is that they'll have this big coaster spree, then a boom of flats and then a B&M flyer. :)

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Saturday, June 14, 2003 9:47 PM

RollerJunkie said:

I think CP's new coaster should be: A new non-record breaking dependable B&M flyer.

NOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO! (sorry had to put that one in). Hows about a BM sitdown launched (ala Hulk but done by BM this time instead of Universal) multi looper.

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Sunday, June 15, 2003 4:32 AM
Actually (and if my memory serves me right)....

The newest flat at Cedar Point would be the Tilt-A-Whirl in Camp Snoopy (because adults CAN ride by themselves.) Second would be Chaos. Tilt-A-whirl is BY FAR my wife's and my favorite flat ride. Everytime we ride it, no matter how many kids are back there. It seems to be the only consistent, spinning like mad, non-stop, I'm gonna hurl, Tilt-A-Whirl in Northern USA.

While I know we all STRONGLY believe CP needs some new flatrides..DESPERATELY, I'm still pretty amazed they haven't added anything "thrilling" back in Frontier Town. It was nice when they added the Swans but a Swan can only do so much.

The list could go on and on for all the idea that Cedar Point could do.

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*** This post was edited by RollerCoasterGod 6/15/2003 8:34:11 AM ***

Sunday, June 15, 2003 5:38 AM
For comparison, let's see what I can remember what was there when I left in the mid 1970's. There was a Skywheel, two skyrides, two flume type rides, three carousels , racing derby,a Matterhorn,Rotor Scrambler, Trabant, two Calypso's,Super Himalaya,Bayren Curve,Schwabinchin,Giant Wheel,three turnpikes,two Dodgems,Western CruiseEarthquake, Pirate Ride, CP&LE, and theMonster.Now If I didn't miss anything that'what, 29 flats, not counting the kiddie only rides.
*** This post was edited by Dutchman 6/15/2003 9:40:57 AM ***
Sunday, June 15, 2003 5:44 AM
jkpark's avatar I agree with all of you. Flat rides should be the next investment for CP. I always thought they should build a state-of-the-art dark ride. Construct one with the quality of Disney's Prirates of the Caribbean/Haunted Mansion. The WT/DT area is really looking great with Chaos and Troika. I even consider DT as a combination of a coaster and dark ride.


Sunday, June 15, 2003 6:49 AM
CPLady's avatar CP has many flat rides, but they are so overpowered by the coasters that people hardly notice them.

The high capacity giant Huss rides would be a fantastic addition to the park, and I would love to see CP add one or two. A giant frisbee (ala Delerium) would be a definite winner in my book!!

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