Cedar Point's White Water Landing at the end of its run

Dave-I believe the only Arrow hydro flume rides left are at Hershey and SFMM - LeScoot is not one. There may be examples at European parks, too.

I don't really consider log flumes in the same category as other water rides.

Like Lori, I don't enjoy being drenched. Log flumes are the perfect balance of fun and cooling off for me.

I don't understand why a park would want two of them, but I really don't understand why they wouldn't want any.

Im kidda sad . this was one of the best log flumes around. It had a nice flume lay out and the view of Lake Erie was great!It was one of the best family rides at Ceder Point.It was like a friendly roller coaster, but not.It seems that many Parks are removing there log flumes. I dont know why they are big fun.It always seem to have long lines? May be Old Age caught up with her. I still think though that see will be missed.The space that the footprint exsists in now is large ,so maybe they will replace the flume with a better one. Something family oriented would be really cool. Oh PLEASE NOT ANOTHER GIGGA OR MEGA COASTER.... We will see what ever it is, it will be in Cedar Point style

This IS very sad news. I would take a ride on WWL many evenings after a hard days work at Camp Snoopy to relax and reflect on my day.

CP is crazy if they don't replace it with another flume.

Well, as much as I didn't want to think it could happen, I sort of saw this one coming. It has had its time at Cedar Point. WWL was one of my first "big" ride experiences ever.... I still have my [original] Cedar Point park guide from 1982 which really goes into detail over a whole page on the ride. In 1982, I considered myself a Grade-A Bad Ass for being brave enough to ride; later, I really enjoyed the RELAXATION this ride had to offer - no, it wasn't a record breaker, but I still enjoyed getting away from the masses in my own canoe. It is one of the only "private" rides operating at the park (an exception: Sky Ride). There's a lot to be said for breaking away from the crowd like that. I missed the waterfall element after that was removed several years back. And I also agree with so many others here that it was a way to cool down without getting COMPLETELY SOAKED. I don't like walking around in wet tennis shoes. SRF is not an acceptable replacement for a flume ride (which I didn't regard as that "rare" at all).

As for a replacement, I am GUESSING it'd have to be a coaster - SFMM is putting in a new one - I'm not up on the numbers, but wouldn't this give them the lead? I don't think CP will want to give away any potential records..... I would like to see another coaster, but is this what people want? This strategy has worked well for them in recent years to bring in the crowds.

Question: how many people spend Thursday morning breakfast trying to decide if they will go to SFMM or CP that weekend?

Answer: none.

Cedar Point management isn't stupid; they will make what they consider to be a sound *business* decision, and the "most coasters anywhere" record is only a very small part of that---nice to advertise, but not important. That plot of land may well hold a coaster someday, and CP may well not build another flume anytime soon, but whatever they decide will be based on what they think improves their attractiveness in their market, not what some park 2000 miles away is doing.

If I remember correctly from reading "Roller Coasters, Flumes, and Flying Saucers" (an EXCELLENT read for All Things Arrow) the first Hydro-flume was at SFMM.

Don't quote me on that, though, as I can't seem to find my book... I think it's under some laundry somewhere.

SFMM's Jet Stream opened in the early 70s.

Just a note to those of you who don't understand adding a Screamin' Swing because it's "the same thing" or "too similar" to MaXair..

Have you ever ridden a Screamin' Swing?

I've ridden both the one at Knott's and the one at Dorney (Dorney's seems to give me a little more airtime, although I have been on it a lot more than the one at Knott's). I've also ridden the Huss Frisbee while it was at GAdv (not a giant, but same concept) as well as the Revolution @ Knotts & DP, plus the Claw at Hershey. All of those rides I would call similar to each other EXCEPT the Screamin' Swing. Granted, I haven't yet been on a Giant Frisbee, but I'd imagine it's not too different than its non-giant sibling.

I suspect that if you had ridden a Screamin' Swing, you'd understand a little more.

Ok I know it's an old thread, and really irrelevant now, but I have a queation for the amusement park buffs out there who are alot smarter than me at this. WWL had the dual shoot down and I have seen other flumes have the same thing, but other flumes don't. My question is what was the purpose of this? Just efficiency? I know WWL efficiency went way down after the accident it had when they were only running one side. Sorry, to revive an old thread for a dumb question, but didn't see the point in opening up a new one.

Your capacity is higher because you can send another boat while the first is still in the other chute.

So, it is just a capicity issue for having dual shoots. For some reason when I was younger I always seemed to think it was for wear and tear issues. As I got older I always kept with that notion for some reason, untill I read about the capacity dropping when only running one shoot.

Thanks, Jeff for the response.

I believe "efficiency" was the main reason. Those rides are not blocked the way coasters are. The only place where White Water Landing had a block system was on the 30' drop and on the subsequent "Hydro-Jump" run-out. Everywhere else the speeds are low enough that boat collisions are really not much of a hazard. The double chute means one boat can drop and the next boat can go right behind it in the other chute even though the first boat hasn't yet cleared the Hydro-Jump. Meanwhile the third boat stacks up on the brake at the top of the first chute and can go as soon as the first boat is clear. The fourth boat also stacks at the top of the second chute, ready to go as soon as the third boat hits the bottom of the drop. The key is that the boat slows dramatically as it comes down off the jump ramp, but the time it takes to actually get clear of the jump and slow back down again is dependent on the weight of each boat. So there is a long runway at the end of the jump before the chutes recombine. That extra space between boats ends up working pretty well and usually makes sure the boats won't jam up at the merge point. Even if they do jam up there, the operator at the top of the drop should not dispatch the third boat down the chute until the first two are both clear.

--Dave Althoff, Jr.

    /X\        _      *** Respect rides. They do not respect you. ***
   /XXX\      /X\     /X\_      _     /X\__      _     _        _____
  /XXXXX\    /XXX\   /XXXX\_   /X\   /XXXXX\    /X\   /X\      /XXXXX
_/XXXXXXX\__/XXXXX\/XXXXXXXX\_/XXX\_/XXXXXXX\__/XXX\_/XXX\_/\_/XXXXXX