Cedar Points Chaos for Sale

Saturday, December 16, 2006 4:36 PM
Heres a link of Cedar Points Chaos being up for sale.
(about halfway down) $150,000. Not bad, considering that it was over $1 million New and installed in 1997... Not to mention the relocation and refurbishment it got back in 2003

http://irmpri.com/current.htm

It mentions "available now". Will Chaos not return for 2007?

I would assume that Valleyfairs is up for sale, too

The Chaos, built by Chance Rides, has always been a fun ride, but mechanical issues have made a short life of the ride. Nearly every park has removed theirs, and very few carnivals carry them now.

It's also of note, that it looks like all 4 Six Flags 1st Gen. Drop rides have been sold. Who do you think bought those?

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Saturday, December 16, 2006 5:15 PM
On Chaos, it says 5 units available. That would be CP, MIA, Valleyfair, and 2 others. Any ideas? I will miss this ride, it was one of my first inverting rides.
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Saturday, December 16, 2006 5:36 PM
I thought the MIA one was totaled and went back to Chance Rides long ago
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Saturday, December 16, 2006 6:19 PM
Aren't the chains driving DOWN the price they're getting for these rides by effectively *dumping* them on the market?

I guess they're kinda offsetting that by selling them as a single parcel rather than as individual "lots", but that also greatly reduces the number of potential bidders...

On the *other* other hand, by buying four or five at once, chances are good you can use one (or two) for parts, keeping the others operational longer...which makes me think some of this "stuff" might be heading towards Elysburg...LOL! < Kidding....mostly... ;)

Really cool ride, LOVE the lighting, too many maintenance and restraints headaches.

*** Edited 12/16/2006 11:20:08 PM UTC by rollergator***

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Saturday, December 16, 2006 7:49 PM
Isn't there already one at Knoebels. Unless you meant they could get one for parts.
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Saturday, December 16, 2006 9:07 PM
Knoebels has a Zamperla Power Surge, not a Chaos ;) .
http://history.amusement-parks.com/Knoebels/knoebelspower.jpg
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Saturday, December 16, 2006 10:37 PM
Who's to say it's actually CP's ride for sale? They could have just used that photo for the add. Are there 5 Chaos' between all the CF and Paramount Parks?

I also find it hard to beileve all those freefalls have sold. I can't think of where they would go so fast. *** Edited 12/17/2006 3:38:23 AM UTC by scraperguy99***

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Saturday, December 16, 2006 11:58 PM
Talk to anyone that has been responsible for maintaining a Chaos, and they'll tell you the ride should never have been created. I've heard it said that Chance-Morgan people themselves say they should never have been built.
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Sunday, December 17, 2006 12:23 AM
That's kinda sad, I thought Chaos was pretty fun, when my knees could fit into it.
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Sunday, December 17, 2006 1:08 AM
As far as I can tell, there are currently only 2 opperational Chaos rides in the entire CF chain. Plus the MiA which is possibly in storage. Perhaps there are 2 in storage that were aquired during the Paramount buyout.
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Sunday, December 17, 2006 9:54 AM
Rideman (Dave Althoff) has always said: "Whenever you see a Chaos, chances are you'll see a guy in a blue shirt going to fix it"
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Sunday, December 17, 2006 12:40 PM
We were talking to one of the managers at Indiana Beach about their Chaos. He said they would love to have it out of there, but they didn't know what to put in it's place.
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Sunday, December 17, 2006 1:56 PM
So, it breaks down from time to time. So, does every roller coaster in the world. Some due more than others. Frankly, I have seen a Wave Swinger at Six Flags Over Georgia broken down, and you hardly hear about those things. All rides must break down even though some do more than others.

I go back to saying this, but what's really wrong with the original concept? The Zipper is basically the same ride, and designed better. It's get 24 riders, or more because 3 people could fit in a car. That's with 2 sides going. It doesn't have that low of capacity as everyone thinks. Scramblers are about the same along with Bumper Cars. I don't see a difference.

Another version of this ride is Zamperla's Power Surge. I would say it's kind of similar. *** Edited 12/17/2006 6:56:50 PM UTC by Ilovthevu'***

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Sunday, December 17, 2006 1:58 PM
^^^AFIK none of the paramount parks ever had chaos rides at all.SF operated a majority of the rides in their parks.
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Sunday, December 17, 2006 3:38 PM
Ilovthevu: Chance Rides Inc have released more bulletins about the Chaos than any other ride in their history. The difference between the Chaos and Zipper tubs is that the doors are manual on a Zipper whereas the restrains are mechaincal on the Choas... and the wires keep breaking in the seats.

Yes... Rides break down...
But not as much as the Choas

It's also of note that Chance no longer advertise the ride in their catalog

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Sunday, December 17, 2006 8:23 PM
The Chaos was just that...Chaos! Trust me, I operated one for a little while at SFA, and boy did that thing have a lot of trouble. One of the strategies I learned in training that stuck with me was to always, always have a balanced wheel.

So this meant spreading people out when I didn't have a full load. If you didn't do this, the wheel would come to a stop to save the two hydraulic arms from getting bent I guess.

As someone said before, I got to be very tight with the flats mechanic, and I learned a lot of stuff about the ride in the process. Some of the safety features impressed me, but ultimately would result in more wheel stoppages, even when things were balanced.

It's a shame that they're all going (maybe we should've have ridden the one at IB this summer). It's one of the few newer rides in which the rider had any control over what was going on. If you really worked with someone, you could get easily eight (and I hear) the ever elusive nine flips.

I just want to correct IlovetheVU above that The Power Surge is very different than a Zipper or Chaos. You could say that are similarities due to randomness of the flips, but that's as far as I'd go.


*** Edited 12/18/2006 1:29:37 AM UTC by Intamin Fan***

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Sunday, December 17, 2006 10:26 PM

Ilovthevu' said:
So, it breaks down from time to time. So, does every roller coaster in the world. Some due more than others. Frankly, I have seen a Wave Swinger at Six Flags Over Georgia broken down, and you hardly hear about those things. All rides must break down even though some do more than others.

I go back to saying this, but what's really wrong with the original concept? The Zipper is basically the same ride, and designed better. It's get 24 riders, or more because 3 people could fit in a car. That's with 2 sides going. It doesn't have that low of capacity as everyone thinks. Scramblers are about the same along with Bumper Cars. I don't see a difference.

Another version of this ride is Zamperla's Power Surge. I would say it's kind of similar. *** Edited 12/17/2006 6:56:50 PM UTC by Ilovthevu'***


True every ride has some downtime on occasion but when's the last time a wave swinger has fallen apart during operation causing serious injuries?Chaos,while a fun ride was based on a really flawed design &is a maintenance nightmare to boot.

That's why you see these rides dropping like flies at just about every major park that has/had them....kinda like the roto-shakes<all three of which in the US are now gone>.The reliability of the ride due in part to it's design goes downhill really fast.

Funny thing about it is that,most of Chance/morgan's flats are pretty reliable....all except for their chaos that is.

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Sunday, December 17, 2006 11:01 PM
^What was a roto-shake again???

Is it like the barrel that would spin so fast you would stick to the walls? Can anyone post a picture?

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Monday, December 18, 2006 12:16 AM
http://www.pbase.com/rollergator/image/66474428
Rotoshake... :)


You were confusing it with Rotor... ;)

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Monday, December 18, 2006 12:55 AM
Oh that the ride that use to be at Knotts before Rip Tide replaced it!

I think it was called Hammer Head! I heard it was down a lot and had a lot of maintenance problems!

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