Cedar Point, Wicked Twister and Capacity Issue
Do you think Cedar Point will adopt a special riding policy for this ride? Perhaps similar to the ticket system they were using for Millennium Force in the first years. This will prevent people from standing in 3-4 hour lines. To me this seems like a sensible approach.
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Ok, so people say there will be long lines, get over it. When *aren't* there long lines for a new attraction at Cedar Point?
I personally think the capacity for WT will be better than people think. Some sort of ride reserve system might work and it may not. But I don't think the people running Cedar Point are idiots, obviously their first concearn was the capacity of this ride. This isn't directed at you jdancisin, but some people need to calm down.
*** This post was edited by DWeaver on 3/8/2002. ***
*** This post was edited by DWeaver on 3/8/2002. ***
I don't think the ride capacity issue will be that big on WT. Correct me if I am wrong here, but isn't MF's capacity 1,600 per hour and isn't WT's capacity supposed to be 1,000 per hour. From 3 trains to 1 trains, 600 people is a pretty small number. The wait will probably be a little longer than MF, but since it is a new ride guests will wait for it.
Plus, the queue instensifies the ride too. You are hearing people scream and seeing the coaster do a bunch of different things it sorta adds to the ride once you get on it. Especially with a ride like WT when the tower moves.
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RubberDucky said:
I don't think the ride capacity issue will be that big on WT. Correct me if I am wrong here, but isn't MF's capacity 1,600 per hour and isn't WT's capacity supposed to be 1,000 per hour. From 3 trains to 1 trains, 600 people is a pretty small number. The wait will probably be a little longer than MF, but since it is a new ride guests will wait for it.
Plus, the queue instensifies the ride too. You are hearing people scream and seeing the coaster do a bunch of different things it sorta adds to the ride once you get on it. Especially with a ride like WT when the tower moves.
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I really don't care how great a ride is. Even with the great Raptor after a 3hr wait in line, I have a lets just get it over with feeling.
Chuck, Not dogging WT just saying Im not as excited about it as most other coaster instalations
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RubberDucky said:
Plus, the queue instensifies the ride too. You are hearing people scream and seeing the coaster do a bunch of different things it sorta adds to the ride once you get on it. Especially with a ride like WT when the tower moves.
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Yeah, that's why I always go to CP on a saturday around the middle of July. I always have a better time the longer the waits are. Yeah.
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First off, the theoretical capacity on Wicked Twister is 1,000 pph, and I think they can hit it. Millennium Force I doubt has done better than 1,200 pph, which still isn't bad.
Conside this though... while I expect Cedar Point's guest count will remain relatively flat from now until the end of time (or at least the next few years), the number of rides and overall capacity continues to increase. Last year you were stupid to wait in line for Millennium Force more than an hour on any day except the busiest in July and August.
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I don't know Jeff...I'll agree that CP is WAY better than most at nearing max theoretical capacity...but I've seen too many shuttle coasters operating to belive they'll really hit 1,000pph. If they do, you can count me among the AMAZED...that just seems like a ton of loading/unloading considering a single platform.
...still hoping CP is around "until the end of time...". THAT would surprise me less....
I really dont believe it is possible for Cedar Point to achieve the capacity they are advertising. It would require them to dispatch a train every 2 minutes or less. I believe they will realize this very quickly and this will lead them to use some sort of "fast pass" system.
Standing in lines annoys people and creates angry customers. Angry customers dont lead to repeat visits. Cedar Point knows this and will do whatever they can to please as many people as possible.
I also can't say I've ever seen a shuttle coaster that will have six people checking restraints. A two-minute dispatch interval should be a piece of cake. That's one minute to ride, one minute to load 32 people. Consider Raptor does it in less time with four operators.
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That line is going to be so long, you could drive the 45 min. to SFWOA and go on a ride that is almost as big, and drive back to CP before you get on WT.
Now how can you say that if you havent even bee on it? you havent been there to even ride it yet. i can understand that it very obvious there will be a long line, but lets get this straight. this ride, just like millenium force and magnum, are something different. sure a spike and a little more height doenst sound that big of a deal, but you never know. i havent been on an impulse, but they dont look very intense or exciting but everyone claims them to be. so.....before you complain about a new ride having a long line, consider the facts.
i cant be the one to say anything either here either because i have never been to CP, nor have i been on an impulse. but i can tell you, that a long wait for HypersonicXLC DOES NOT take away from the thrill. i still get the whole stomach thing on the launch, and im scared before i ride....but aside from the capacity thing i dont understand why the wait could take away from the thrill.
Waiting in line is what you make of it. If you're alone you're more likely to be bored than if you're with a group of friends. Sure, no one likes to wait 2+ hours to ride, but at least if you're with friends you can talk to pass the time.
Here's a suggestion of how to make the time seem to pass more quickly: play a game of Coaster 20 Questions. Set up the rules in advance [can the coaster be defunct? Will you use only US coasters? and so on] and then play. One person thinks of a coaster, the rest have to guess it in 20 questions or less. Questions must be asked so that the answer is "yes" or "no" only.
Try it...its really fun! And this works for long drives, too.
*** This post was edited by Mamoosh on 3/8/2002. ***
Well, if Disney with a 60000 guests a day park can't get away with a ride that gets 900 an hour (and that's not even for a rollercoaster...), then I dont see how CP could managed to avoid 4 hours lines for WT.
Regarding ops.... 6 operators checking harnesses... good, but, the problem will be with the guests when they try to buckle the Intamin inverted coaster seat belts (which are on the side of the harness and seat!). Also, you have to consider the time its will take for the LIM to cool off between each cycle. The minimum for that is 30 seconds... for California Screamin and, between cycles, CS LIM's are sprayed with water! While, the Impulses use fans to cool the LIM's as fast as possible. Also, on the Impulses, you have to consider the time its will take for the guests to set in, children too small, etc., which is not counted in the PPH.
So, I think WT will do between 500-600, then, as the ops and guests grab the beat as the season go on, 700.
P.S.: For Jeff, a horde of ops doesn't mean better dispatch times... While I worked at DLP, on Space Mountain, we hitted 2375 guests an hour (with 5 trains, PPH is 2400) and, we were not 6 or 4 cast members checking harnesses, we were 2. the train never passed more than 30 seconds in the station, there was no stacking.
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Have you ever considered that maybe it's not the park that's the problem, but YOU?
Well usually when I go to parks I have a group of friends with me and we have so much fun in the line so it doesn't even seem like we are waiting.
Alot of time the park I am at is SFWoA and I have gone there so many times I know what rides to ride, when to ride them, when to go to the park...and so-on. Alot of times I don't wait more than 15min. for a ride.
I remember one day I went...we actually had to wait for enough people to get on X-Flight and B:KF before they could send a train out...we must have rode Batman about 30times that day...most of the time w/out getting off the train at all.
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