Cedar Point says Magic Mountain will have little impact on attendance

This whole thing is seriously being blown way out of proportion. I do think it is funny that SFMM should could Superman as two because of how much they spent on it? That is a laugh. Gemini is not claimed to be two coasters, but I forgot, they didn't spend the millions on it. It shouldn't matter who has what record or not. If they deserve it they should have it. Regardless of who has what record, people are going to go to the park because they want to and not because they have the every record in the book. Sure, it stands out, but people flock to Busch Gardens in Williamsburg, but do they hold all the records? People just want to go to have a good time and ride all day.

One other thing, SFMM may have had record breaking coasters, but look at Cedar Point who also has been breaking records for awhile:
Magnum
Mean Streak
Mantis
Millennium Force
Raptor
Gemini

The funny thing is that people get so upset that one park breaks another...its said really, whatever happened to healthy competition??? I never been to Cedar Point but I hear all about it...I go to Magic Mt all the time and I love the park... even all the rides...yes including Flashback and Psyclone...I'm sure Cedar Point is a great park and I hope to make it out there someday...but c'mon let the record be broken by another park for awhile...No one can hold a title forever...

Dragon Cyrs, just as a side note, Gemini @ CP and Colossus @ SFMM were tied as the tallest in the world when both debuted in 1978. They're both 125 ft tall and both racers. And SFMM at least has kept a majority of their records unlike CP, who gains and loses them in the wink of an eye (i.e. Supreme Scream/Power Tower)(SD2000/MF).

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Your right Everdred, I forgot about Hypersonic, shame on me. I guess SFMM won't have that record after all. But, it will be the first dive-like drop, that then goes on to be a full fledge coaster rather than just returning to the station. That's very exciting.

To Dragoncyrs, I'm very aware of CP's many records. My point was that both parks have worked very hard to get where they are, not just CP as most Eastcoasters seem to think. The Superman debate is old and I wish people would drop it. If I hear the "Demon Drop" comparison one more time...


And with that, I will now bow out of this debate, permanately. Though I fear CP fans will keep on whining, and SFMM fans will continue having to defend the park. It's a never ending cycle that will eventually run a lot of people away from this great site. Good luck ;)
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Life consists of two kinds of people, those who accept, and those who sit back and cry... *** This post was edited by Simcoaster on 1/1/2001. ***

I have been one to try to stay out of this debate to, but to rebutt the claim of tallest coaster back in 1978? Neither Gemini nor Colossus were the tallest. The crown went to the Tidal Wave which debuted in 1978 at both Great Americas back when it was owned by Marriott. The Schwartzkopf shuttle looper coaster stood 142 ft tall. You want to get picky about records people, I can get picky also.

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Just becuse SF has will add 4 coasters in 15 months does not make them better than every other park, including CP. I applaud SFMM for their aggressieness, but it does not make the park any better. CP has been recognize for the past decade as the best park in the world. It takes more than coasters to make a park decent. Cedar Point continues to get awards every year. i.e. Applause Award, Amusement Today, NAPHA, IAAPA awards, and the like. They have a better balance of rides and attractions than anyone else.

Where is SF in all this? They build coasters, but ignore the rest of the park. They are overpriced and overcrowded. I say congratulations to SFMM for getting the record, but until they improve upon other parts of the park, to say they are all of a sudden better than CP is ludicrous.

What are you talking about? It's $50 jsut for a ticket.

"They are overpriced and overcrowded." Do you consider CP "Cheap" by any stretch of the imigination? Overcrowded, well that means that LOTS of people love the parks! Don't judge ALL Six Flags parks on only the few you have been to. SFMM is a beautiful park with something for everyone. The addition of 4 coasters in 15 months DOES make it better. That addition makes it better that it was before they added those coasters, right?

I have said it before, go there and judge for yourself. If you have not been there, you cannot truly make the comparison.

BTW, Happy New Year!

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"X" marks the spot in 2001!

Actually records do matter. I am really trying to plan a trip to California now because this park sounds awesome!!! Also if Six Flags wants to fight with CP why didn't they add the 3 at SFO??? That would really hurt CP. and if CP wants to fight with SFMM why don't they add a ton of coasters to Knott's??? CP has been caught snoozing but I don't think they can do much about it. CP just doesn't have the funds that Six Flags has to be adding 4 coasters in 2 years.
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kRaXLeRidAh the Majority of CP's records are beaten in a blink of an eye, yeah right. First you only named 2 rides. WOW. Goliath was beat within months of its opening, most of the other record breakers are old anyway, don't hate on Cedar Point

Like I said how long will it be before MM builds another roller coaster after the addition of Goliath and these 3 new coasters

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Actually, from what I'm hearing, the three coasters are just the beginning of a 2-year expansion project that will also see major improvemments to other parts of the park as well. Boy it sure is a great time to be a SFMM fan. I'll say this, when I go to renew my season pass while drooling over X and Deja Vu, the last thing on my mind will be how some people 2,000 miles away feel about my homepark, I'm going to have a blast in 2001 in California!

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You wanna talk freefall? Try this: 200ft, 88.5 degree head first dive! Only at SFMM in 2001! *** This post was edited by Middleman on 1/1/2001. ***

I'll happily fork over whatever Cedar Point asks at the gate, because I know that CedarPoint is going to give me an excellent value--rides, shows, clean facilities, beach, etc etc. The only reason I visited three Six Flags parks this year was because we had SF season passes. Sorry, Six Flags parks are nice enough but just don't offer the quality and value to justify the price at the gate. Why? Theming is treated as happenstance--because Six Flags wants to reuse ride names, parks get a Batman or a Mr Freeze or a Viper, and if it fits the theme of the area fine, but if not...too bad, the ride goes in. (Example:SFGam's Batman went into the Yankee Harbor area; SFSL's The Boss turns up in the Brittania area. They went with a promotable name rather than a thematically appropriate minker). Service is... uninspiring. I've worked in as amusement park, it's not fun. But many (not all, but many) of the people at Cedar Point or Kennywood are very pleasant to guests. My experience at the Six Flags parks I've visited is different; people in customer contact positions are generally not as pleasant. Quality of goods... of course, walking into any amusement park, I know that I'm going to pay an inflated price on anything I buy, that the food is mass-produced, that the gifts are bought on the cheap and sold sky high. But at Six Flags parks, the situation is paricularly egregious. The food is uniformly terrible.

Um...hello? SFMM is not every other Six Flags park. How about if I judged Cedar point based on Dorney park? SFMM is head a shoulders above most of the parks you mentioned, but not that it matters, you've already made up your mind. When did this become a SF toasting party anyway. The subject is about SFMM and CP all of a sudden you've got people giving editorials lol. If the shoe were on the other foot, people here would never allow this kind of talk about Cedar Point, and it would probably be removed. How about if I suddenly launch into a review of what buggs me about Cedar Fair? And the kicker is, those people who hate Six Flags so much always seem to wind up at several of their parks lol!

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You wanna talk freefall? Try this: 200ft, 88.5 degree head first dive! Only at SFMM in 2001!


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Its all about a coaster war.
They are still going to have the BEST coasters,maybe not the most but simply the best and wont lose any attendance.

I don't care who has the record for "most coasters." Nor do I care which coaster is "the tallest" or "the fastest" or any record for that matter. NONE of my favorite coasters are record holders. When it comes to coasters, especially wooden, bigger does not always equal better. And when it comes to parks, I prefer quality over quantity. I'll take a day at Holiday World over a day at Cedar Point or Six Flags Magic Mountain ANY DAY!

I hear you Mamoosh!!!

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What is a so-called 'rollercoaster'??

It said in the article that a coaster could last as much as 5 minutes. Excuse me? Name one that last that long. I think the longest coaster (time-wise) I've ever been on might be Thunder Mountain Railroad at Disney and that's because it has 3 chain lifts. Am I wrong?

The new SFMM coaster looks too cool to pass up..I may have to fly accross the country for this wild ride!

http://www.rollercoasterz.com/sfmm/sfmm_announcement.htm

Personally, I think that Cedar Point is much better than Six Flags Magic Mountain. I have been to both amusement parks and observed both of their rides. Magic Mountain talks alot of junk for an amusement park. Cedar Point has said nothing to them to start off. Mostly, Cedar Point has made rides for the fun of it and because it is a challege.Although I have never been on the Millennium Force, I have been on the Magnum. Six Flags Magic Mountain only talks junk because the just got a new mega coaster called Goliath. From my point of view, Cedar Point should really worry about Six Flags in Ohio. Six Flags Ohio has just came out. Magic Mountain has been around for years. Just like Cedar Point. Parks are based on the quality of their rides and appearance.