Canada's Wonderland announces Behemoth

Ugh. I click on the link to this thread, I hear an infant crying. I hit the Back button, it stops. Click Foward, it returns. Gets louder as I scroll down. I'm at the bottom now, and it's deafening...

Gotta echo Jeff's second post.

Anyway...

What's not to understand about the seating? I think it's a pretty cool idea. Groups of two all get their own row, no one has to sit on an 'inside' seat, and the seats in the back row of each car are completely open--no one (immediately) on either side of you. A hypercoaster with tons of floating air? Can't think of a more perfect coaster type for this new train design.

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I've heard, but can't confirm, that there will be 16 air gates in the station instead of 8. People will load in groups of two instead of 4.

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You are correct. I can confirm it. Ask me how.

Don't lose faith on the trims. It could be like Hydra where they have them in the designs in case they need to add them, but depending on initial testing perhaps they will be unnecessary?

I love the goofy name. I'm impressed and excited. Hopefully that passport rule gets delayed untill past the summer of 2008.

Ultimately, whos decision is it whether the trims are used or not?

R.

I totally agree with Jeff.This is exactly why I have little desire to ever meet with coaster enthusiasts. A lot of enthusiasts take the fun out of roller coasters.
*** This post was edited by El Gato Coastro 8/28/2007 12:39:34 PM ***

The more I think about it, I love the name. It's so much better than a stupid brand name superhero. Also, now that the shock and awe are over, the train design is rather interesting. It will make for a unique experience regardless of how effective it ends up being. And something unique on a B&M especially is welcomed. ;)

Those will not be trims, but anti-rollbacks.

PCW started adding anti-rollbacks to all their coasters in locations where there is a chance that the coaster would not continue. This is really an issue when it's cold out and the grease on the tracks and bearings gets sticky. Pre-season testing and training usually results in many trains not completing their cycles. Skyrider, Wild Beast, Dragon Fyre are the rides that have this issue the most.

The result of this addition is less winching and towing of trains in valleys.

So if that be true, it makes me wonder...
Other than on the chainlifts, is this the first B&M to have anti-rollbacks? I know it's a dorky enthusiast thing to say, but I honestly don't recall ever seeing them or hearing the click, click, click on any B&M and on hardly any other steel coasters. It seems to be a woodie thing.

I agree the negativity can get to be a bit much, but I'd rather discuss the pros and cons of a new ride rather than discuss why increased amusement park prices make sense. Anyway, I stand by my original statement- a coaster that looks like it will be a lot of fun but with a curious seating arrangement that seems to make no sense whatsoever... unless those single side seats are for the anti-social amusement park enthusiasts that go to parks by themselves and actually enjoy it?

If it weren't for pros AND cons being discussed, wouldn't the conversation get rather boring, and quickly.

^Me 2! ;)

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I'd rather discuss the pros and cons of a new ride rather than discuss why increased amusement park prices make sense.

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That's ok - you're allowed to suck if you want to. ;)

Uhhhhh... are we talking about the same kind of sucking? ;)

For those of you playing at home, $26M is almost certainly in Canadian. I don't particularly care to do the math right now, but my guess is somewhere around $16M.

Delan:

I always thought SFoG's Goliath was a "Nitro beater." Not having an MCBR makes all the difference to me (see S:RoS, MF, PR, etc.)

If this ride has a similar opening set of hills, it might be as good as Nitro, but with the MCBR, I personally don't think it will eat Goliath.

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Those will not be trims, but anti-rollbacks.

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Uh, no. You don't put anti-rollbacks in the middle of a hill. They're trims, just like on every other B&M hypercoaster.

-Nate

Speaking of the MCBR on B&M hypers, does anyone find the placement a little odd? They always seem to be very late into the ride. I wonder why that is?

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For those of you playing at home, $26M is almost certainly in Canadian. I don't particularly care to do the math right now, but my guess is somewhere around $16M.

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Well, you should have done the math, ApolloAndy. The exchange rate right now is about 1 USD to 1.05 CAD. So, that makes the cost about $24.8 million USD. That's a far cry from $16M.

Any one else notice that Behemoth is stepping on the IJ, I have as my background on my computer and just noticed that there is a support right in the middle of the IJ.

I'm still going with anti rollbacks...they are placed high enough on the hill to stop the train from the rear if it should not make it. Then again, if every single B&M hyper has trims then perhaps they are.

But who cares? We do. Which is why we look at websites like these, why we respond to postings, why we dissect renderings and videos, and why we visit parks when new rides appear. I'm grateful for a forum where fans like us can voice our opinions, share insights and raise questions. If it seems only like so much pissin' and moanin' to some readers, fine. They certainly have the right to their opinions and may disassociate themselves from whatever group they choose.

I hope these same readers aren't also fans of racing. Or music. Or sports. They might stumble across a fan based website out there where guys and gals are discussing (and maybe even criticising!) a performer or team before the season even starts! Then they would be equally as disenchanted.

Of course they're trims. Why is that not obvious?

-No B&M hypercoaster has anti-rollbacks
-All B&M hypercoasters have trims
-Anti-rollbacks are never in the middle of a hill
-Anti-rollbacks are never present without an evac platform

-Nate

Maybe they are accelerators? Possibly, just to make sure the train crests the hill?