Canada's Wonderland announces Behemoth

I, for one, have never understood B&M Hypers. More-so in this ride's case. So B&M designed These new Sleek, streamlined trains. The V-Shape in seating should somewhat reduce the tolls of friction on the ride, providing more speed. Speed is great! So is the 85 degree drop... However, why design a train like this... Or for that matter, a ride like this, only to put brakes on every hill? Does this not defeat the purpose? B&M Hypers, I really just don't understand them. Why such large rides would be engineered so tamely! Especially at a $26 million price tagJ7G3 - I'm not sure if more hills would help. They'd only install brakes on them.
*** This post was edited by xX eNeRtIa Xx 8/27/2007 3:46:41 PM ***

I think those short magnets on the hills are anti-rollback, not trim brakes. If you watch the on-ride vid (which are always amazingly accurate) there is no real slowdown till the mid-course block.

The seating sucks, esp for those in row 2. And yes, Deja Vu comes to mind. Is it the same track as other B&M hypers with the 4 across or do these trains allow for a narrower and therefor less expensive track?

Lets not complain too much about the shortness of the ride. It looks typical to me. And with the price of steel these days I'm surprised to see a park put in a ride with such tall hills. I was sure we would see a trend with nothing but Lola-Maverick-Mystery Mine-Italian Job sized rides for a while. Thrilling enough rides with less height. Maybe B&M hasn't heard.

And it's a good thing for us. I thought Goliath at SFOG was a total blast and this ride seems to be in a similar groove with some of the same features. 'Cept the seating. I haven't been to Montreal for a few years so I can't speak to theirs.

And those in the U.S. who are planning trips to this great park should apply for their passport now. The Department is overrun with requests due to new travel requirements and it's taking months to receive a new or renewal passport. Maybe you'll have it by the time this ride opens!

Hmmm...

My guess is that B&M decided to place (hopefully removable) magnetic trim brakes on every hill because of the new train design, to see how they react to wind and to ensure it isn't far off of their calculated guesstimates. Hopefully, it runs as designed and the trims are removed, period.

@RCMAC
I don´t think those are anti-rollbacks. I am pretty sure that its trims.

But I had the same idea about the train design, which could result in narrower tracks, therefore using less steel.

Wow, no one has been on it, and I can already find a dozen reasons in the comments that show why I'm so disenchanted with the enthusiast community.

That pull-out should be pretty insane though. 85 degree on a B&M hyper, didn't think I'd see the day. I wonder if the seatbelts were CF mandated?

^Why's that Jeff? Just because the thing was just announced and people are already complaining? You should know better than to expect more out of some in the enthusiast community.

It always seems to be the usuall M.O. Immediately complain about something, anything, when a ride is announced. It's almost as bad as reading posts in alt.music.rush or alt.music.pinkfloyd.

This is exactly the reason I pretty much keep to myself and family when I go to events.

As for Behemoh, I'll defer my opinion until I can ride it.

-Tambo

*** This post was edited by tambo 8/27/2007 5:16:55 PM ***

Audioslaved said >>two helicies, probably because lateral G's arent as exciting to me as airtime hill, but it looks cool.<<

Laterals on a B&M? Has there been any?
*** This post was edited by J7G3 8/27/2007 5:44:59 PM ***

The trains do look rather weird.

When i'm riding a coaster I like to enjoy it 'with' someone - which looks like it could prove quite difficult if sitting in the second row of each car.

Hmmm....

R.

^ Um... then sit in one of the first rows. ;)

I've heard, but can't confirm, that there will be 16 air gates in the station instead of 8. People will load in groups of two instead of 4.

That outside seat in the back row will be pretty wild. Nothing around you but air!

I just noticed or thought about that this is CW's 15th coaster, which means they tie SFMM, I am not sure if this is second place or if anyone else is tied for second place with SFMM and CW.

I don't ever want to say I'm disappointed, the coaster looks amazing. But I heard ahead of time there might be some kind of staggered seating arrangement and a longer train than usual. That made me think they wouldn't do anything as nuts as the DejaVu arrangement. What I was thinking was maybe two in the middle, and TWO on each side, set back just a little, so everyone would still have the view but it would make the train six across and give everyone a riding partner. Then, if they did a 12-car train, there would be 72 riders - double the standard B&M hyper setup, and a good capacity boost for Wonderland, which really needs it. What they are doing is quite a bit less than that - the train is longer - good for whipovers! -but holds four riders less. I'm also wondering about flexibility, how a longer car that's trailered will be able to round the hills and curves. Still, who can imagine that B&M wouldn't know what they're doing?

PS to Audioslaved, unless you count powered-rail rides (which Thunder Run is), it's Wonderland's 14th coaster. But no one can ever say their collection isn't diverse. They pretty much have one of everything, and three woodies.

What's the point of online message boards if you can't express your opinion on rides that are just announced? You could say the same thing about cars, buildings, sports, food, stores, etc... People are passionate about things and express their opinions (good or bad) when things are announced. It's called human nature.

On that note, I just don't understand the train layout. It just seems to be a big waste of train real estate for no effect. You're still looking at the seat in front of you if you're in any row but the first. I guess you are a little further away from that seat, but it's still there. I'm hoping it will be some awesome new feature, but it doesn't look like they gain much from the added expense.

I'm definitely psyched about the ride though. We've already planned our trip to CW. I'm a big fan of Raging Bull and Nitro, so I'm sure Behemoth will be just as good - hopefully better!

Can you point me to the place where you couldn't express your opinion? I don't see it.

Looks fun! I'm a bit bewildered by the seating config...but otherwise looks like a winner.

Wonderland is finally getting some vertical! This coaster will essentially double the height of the next tallest coaster in the park. It's about time.

RCDB stats:
Behemoth (B&M hyper) 230'
The Bat (Vekoma Boomerang) 116'
Top Gun (Vekoma SLC) 109'
Vortex (suspended) 91'
Mighty Canadian Minebuster (woodie) 90'
Skyrider (stand-up) 88'
Wild Beast (woodie) 82'
Dragen Fire (double loop / double corkscrew) 78'
Fly (wild mouse) 51'
Tomb Raider: The Ride (Zamperla flyer) 50'
Silver Streak (family invert) 48'
Italian Job: Stunt Track (LIM launched) 45'
Scooby's Gasping Ghoster Coaster (family woodie) 41'
Thunder Run (powered) 33'
Taxi Jam (kiddie) 10'(?)

Wow, could it be that we finally have a Nitro beater? Not worried about the braked hills. The magnetic brakes do not grab as harshly as the friction brakes. Not so thrilled about the name either. I never did like the word "behemoth". Other than that, I'm sure heading to Canada's Wonderland next year.

Where's everyone getting magnetic brakes from? I didn't see that listed in the ride stats. They look (and sound) like friction brakes to me. If the same guy did this animation that did Maverick, his sound effects are usually pretty accurate. Even the LSMs on Maverick had the correct sound. Plus, the magnetic brakes on Maverick were silent. In the Behemoth video, the MCBR is clearly friction, so I'm assuming the trims are as well - like most (if not all) of the other B&M hypers.

Jeff, I understand your concerns that everyone is pre-judging something they haven't been on yet. Nitro has some trims and it doesn't dampen the ride experience in my opinion. I think what everyone is afraid of is either a) a Silverstar or b) a Raging Bull.

While I've only ridden RB, it does kill a lot of the ride experience. You look at that hill coming out of the tunnel and you think it's going to kick butt--and it doesn't because of a massive trim-brake. I remember getting off of it going "That was a really nice family coaster."

And I don't think it's just the enthusiast community who gets what we're talking about. I remember a show featuring Will Koch where he mentioned that they don't put trim-brakes on their rides (okay, this was before Voyage and the infamous midcourse that people talked about a few weeks ago).