Brakes on first drop of Beast

Believe it...they are there. I wish sometimes people would trust the observations of others.

Martin

*** This post was edited by Martin McClellan on 8/15/2002. ***

RollerCoasterMan said:
Does anyone know why PKI choose to add the brakes and why this late in the season?
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The only reason I can think of for PKI taking action this late in the season is maybe the Beast was going too fast down the first drop. I know when I rode it a couple of times, it beat the heck out of me. Just an idea though?

Well, I know this is an old topic but I got out to PKI today. The lines were non existant and I was able to ride The Beast 4 times. It appears that there are four sets of magnetic brakes on the first drop. However, I didn`t ride in the front so I couldn`t tell for sure. I will say that while this slows down the first drop some, it makes the brakes on the second hill lesss noticable. As a side note, the trains still seem to be reaching the same spot on the second lift after the new brakes were installed.

Noooo, I dont wanna believe this please say its a rumor. Im going this weekend to ride it and if they have really added these. But if they have like everyone has said then im going to be so mad. At first when they added these new magnetic brakes i was mad then. I wasn't to mad because instead of having the first drop loaded with trims they put some on the second hill now they put them back on the first hill. They are just ruining the ride. I don't care how fast you go at the bottom of the second lift. The first drop and then a hard turn to the left is just insane on this ride. CP ruined MS with trims, looks like PKI is following with the beast. Whats next SOB with trims, please leave this coaster alone!

Beast_rocks, Papa has had trims since its inception, they aren't killing it with brakes. Also the one saving grace of brakes on the first drop is that with magnetic brakes it will not slow down anymore then it ever has on the other brakes so the speed following the formerly first now second set of brakes will be the same as it was.

I didn't want to belive it at first but all the evidence now points me to the truth that brakes have been added to the first drop once again. So now we have brakes in the exact same places that they were before the magnets were installed.

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MagnumForce, I did forget about those trims on SOB but those seem like they barley touch, atleast nothing like the whiplash you get on the beast in the front now. I just dont wanna see any trims on SOB like on the drop.

*** This post was edited by Beast_rocks on 8/23/2002. ***

Although brakes tame a ride in enthusiast's eyes, there is a distinct reason why they are added. They key to Beast remaining a tour-de-force IMO is not how few brakes it may have, rather the key is preserving it's longevity.

The Beast with ALL of the new braking is not any worse, or better for that matter. Just more consistant and reliable.

Shaggy

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*** This post was edited by Shaggy on 8/23/2002. ***

I didn't say anything about SOB just Papa Beast. There we always brakes on the first drop, on the hill, in the shed, and before the helix. Same as now.

Like I said thankfully with the magnetics it is the same speed as before after the now second set of trims.

Sonny is a completely different animal, those are block brakes.

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Ok I was reading fast and thought you were talking about SOB. but SOB has some kind of trim right as you decend into the first set of helixs right after you crest the second large hill. I don't even think that they are always on but there is some kind of brake there. Im not talking about the mid course.

SOB had had a trim on the third drop (drop into the rose-bowl) since July of it's first season of operation. Now, I have not noticed if it is active now, as it was once, but none- the-less, it is there.

Shaggy

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Sonny has trims? Holy cow, I have never noticed when I have rode, but I never rode in 2000 only 2001 and 2002. I have never ever noticed them hitting. I stand corrected beast_rocks. I am going to have to check this out next week.

Listen to Shaggy and learn

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*** This post was edited by MagnumForce on 8/23/2002. ***

You are all right........i have been to kings island this season several times.....and they have added the breaks to The Beast......also......if you do notice.......that each time the train runs, the breaks are set differently throughout the ride. Sometimes they are applied really harshly slowing it down drastically, or sometimes they are just not used at all. Just pay attention the next time you ride it......its quite noticable between the rides. (this may only be when they are running three trains. I have been to pki on the days that all three are running so who knows)

As for SOB shaggy is right about SOB break.......you guys arent very vigilant people, are ya....Just kidding

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They do not change the way Papa brakes between rides, the only way to do that would be to take a wrench out there and move the magnets.

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The brakes that are on The Beast's first drop are just temporary. The first turn after the drop was getting torn up from the speed. Most likely the PKI crew will fix the problem and reinforce the supports. Then the brakes would not be in effect. Just wait.

Now, for the heresy.....perhaps Papa Beast could use a bit more *banking*....it seems most of the brakes are needed because the turns occur at too high of a speed for the relatively flat track....second hill, turnaround, post-shed...all are pretty flat, with banking they could go at higher speeds....still, Papa is one of the best around, esp. late at night...

bill, NEVER satisfied....;)

Shaggy said:

SOB had had a trim on the third drop (drop into the rose-bowl) since July of it's first season of operation. Now, I have not noticed if it is active now, as it was once, but none- the-less, it is there.
Actually Shaggy, there was a time when the trims were removed for whatever reason. I remember getting a few front seat rides last year and seeing the area where they once were installed, This year they are back though but don't effect the ride IMO.
As far as the new trims on the first drop of The Beast, I don't think they are that bad, but then again, I liked the magnetic trims over the skids. I also appears they took one set of trims from the second hill, and one set from the drop after the second lift and added them to the first.
-Sean ("May the blue light now shine gold with fun under its rays")

That would make sense Sean. The other brakes had to have been adjusted as well to then. Man they did this all in one night? Crazy.

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rollergator said:
relatively flat track....second hill, turnaround, post-shed...all are pretty flat, with banking they could go at higher speeds....still, Papa is one of the best

You should have seen how flat those curves USED to be! I think they were rebanked at least once (if not more) in the early 80's.

My last straw with PKI was when they PAINTED the Beast BROWN. I didn't think it could get any worse in the early 90's...

And why do some people still say they get air on the Beast? It's never had air. It didn't have air when I was 90 lbs, and it still didn't have airtime when I was 180 lbs! The only noticeable less than 1g spot is over the 2nd drop (which is only 32 degrees, did you know that?)

Well I weigh 235 and this year I have gotten air on V1.0 I haven't gotten to ride it with the new brakes.

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To solve this curve wear and tear problem, my opinion is they need to really bank these curves. Also, banking and articulating technology has changed since 1979. The Beast's trains are not articulated, unlike on newer PTCs (meaning wheels that can turn, i think). Engineering has greatly improved with newer PTC trains and designs from GCI and even RCCA on Son of Beast; I have a feeling the Beast may have an overhaul sometime in the fulture in the quest to make it smoother and brakeless. Some may not like it, but heck, you can't please everyone.

My last straw with PKI was when they PAINTED the Beast BROWN. I didn't think it could get any worse in the early 90's...

What's next, are they going to paint it purple? Some might like it, but I'm sure it'll annoy Kris Allen. :)

I don't know if this is still true, but if you ride up front, you might get some air on the second drop due to the magnetic brakes.

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