B&M patent 6,158,354: What is this?

Ever hear of Pyrenees, or Orochi?

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Did anyone have a close look at figure 4??

That's a potential layout of what this coaster would perform. The layout consists of a 90 degree drop and then bends around back, as opposed to pulling out like most normal coasters. This layout confuses me.

The trains themselves look like Vekoma Flying Dutchman... however, the track layout looks just a little (not a whole lot) like the Arrow 4th Dimension track (at least X's layout).

Whatever it is, whoever designed it... it looks all too fimilar. I guess I could read Figure 10, 11, & 12, but the writing is too small, and there's no pictures to go along with the writing. It may, however, give who submitted the patent.

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Look at the figures carefully guys, especially figures 4 and 6. This coaster is designed to run part of the circut on top of the track and part underneath so it is both an upright and an inverted coaster. That's really the most inventive part of the design, though if it's in the claims I missed it at a quick glance.

The hard thing to get this to work is going to be getting the damping on the pivot to work with riders of various weights. It's going to take either a very heavy seat assembly ( >2000 lbs ) or some very sophisticated shock absorber technology to get this thing to behave the same when it has one 90 pound child in the row and when it has 4 - 250 pound adults.

Did everybody forget about Togo for some reason? The track in the pics resemble Togo new track style. And why issue a patent in Japan if it would not be manufacture it there? Is this a comeback of Togo, or am I mistaken?

I thought Togo was as dead as the Dodo... didn't they file for Chapter 11 or something?

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Velduanga said:
Is this a comeback of Togo, or am I mistaken?

Good thought, but this is a seperate company from Togo. Their only other coaster "Birdmen" opened last year at Fujikyu-Highland, but was closed this year due to an accident. (It is a small flying coaster.)
I also believe they also represent Vekoma in Japan, just like Premeir now represents Togo in America.

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Velduanga said:
Did everybody forget about Togo for some reason? The track in the pics resemble Togo new track style. And why issue a patent in Japan if it would not be manufacture it there? Is this a comeback of Togo, or am I mistaken?

While the inventors and assignee are Japanese, this is a US patent providing protection for coasters manufactured or used in the US.

Isn't Togo's American subsidary out of buisness?
They still exist in Japan.. right?

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I found some cool things on that site. Some one patented a LIM launched racing water flume, Disney has some weird ones like a design for an OTSR.
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I am not an engineer or any other kind of pointy head for that matter, but it looks and sounds to me as if it is designed to be a different ride every time based upon the weight of the car. Unless theses rotating seat assemblies are very light I would imagine that the weight of the rider would not make a very large difference in motion, only possible in the speed that the motion occurs. Based on what I read and the drawings, it leads me to believe that gravity and centrifugal force will be the determining factor in the riders position, and therefore in a drop the heaviest part of the car (presumably your posterior) would "float" upwards, therefore making the drop head-first. In any kind of vertical movement like a loop, your rear would be in the direction of travel, toward the track on an inside loop, and away from the track on an inverted or out side loop. Thank about this. You crest the lift sitting completely vertical to the ground, regardless of lift angle, and as you start down the drop physics takes over and you are flipped upside down head first into the dive, and when you reach the bottom and flatten out into a straight away you would assume a flying position until the coasters' direction changes. If I am wrong please by all means correct me before I drool all over my keyboard and short it out.
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We hate to throw something new into another thread but check this out!
http://patft.uspto.gov/netacgi/nph-Parser?Sect1=PTO2&Sect2=HITOFF&p=1&u=/netahtml/search-bool.html&r=8&f=G&l=50&co1=AND&d=ft00&s1='roller+coaster'&OS="roller+coaster"&RS="roller+coaster"

Hope this one hasn't been brought up before, but the patent was just issued in August, and we dont remember seeing it discussed. Looks exciting.

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*** This post was edited by angnjc on 10/18/2001. ***

Ah yes, that's Setpoint's "Seizmic" concept. I really hope they do it eventually, as the potential inversions and dueling elements are pretty stunning.

We shot a couple photos of the model last year at IAAPA:

Photo 1 Photo 2

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Does anyone have a link to the patent for the X coaster? I would love to see that.

angnjc said:
Unless theses rotating seat assemblies are very light I would imagine that the weight of the rider would not make a very large difference in motion, only possible in the speed that the motion occurs.

The weight of the riders will make a mojor difference in the motion that occurs. Remember that a single rider in the row could weight less than 100 pounds while 4 riders could weigh over 100 pounds total. This would radically change the amount of momentum when the car starts to spin. The motion is damped, not free like the spinning of a Tilt-A-Whirl, with a heavy load the car would start to rotate more quickly and would continue to rotate for a much longer period. This creates the potential for a problem if G loads occur when your body is in the wrong position. You really wouldn't want to find that you have 4 Gs on negative G-loads. This isn't an insurmountable problem, but it is one that must be considered carefully.

whatever it is, lets hope SFDL is the fist to get it.

That looks workable Jeff. Maybe just a little expensive and harder since the wheels are running on the bottom of the (Intamin box) track too.

uh oh, the latest B&M patent was for a hypercoaster restraint or seat or something, and it was filed 9-11-01, hmmm....

themonkeymaster99 said:
"uh oh, the latest B&M patent was for a hypercoaster restraint or seat or something, and it was filed 9-11-01, hmmm...."

I wasnt "filed" on that day, but rather "issued" on that day. Dont read too much into that. ALL US patents are "issued" (read published) on Tuesdays. On any given Tuesday there are hundreds of patents published.

BTW: If they had "filed" the application of the patent on 9-11, it would be well into next year (likely longer) before you saw it.
jeremy
--yes there is even red tape in the Patent Office...

I know I'm bringing back a really old topic, but at Hoei-Sangyo's website, they have a page for the Sledgehammer Jeff first mentioned at the top. It looks really interesting, the riders never invert, thats how the track pulls out of a vertical drop backwards. Check it out.

http://www.hoei-sangyo.co.jp/e_index2.html

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Does the setpoint seismic have two independent sides, or are the two sides coupled?

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