B&M patent 6,158,354: What is this?

Wednesday, October 17, 2001 11:44 AM
Viper, the one of the Badnitrus guys pointed me to a B&M patent filed late last year. As best I can tell, it's somewhat of a variation on the 4th Dimension coaster. Check it out, particularly the images.

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Wednesday, October 17, 2001 11:49 AM
Why can't I see the images?!  And besides, it says that the inventors are from Osaka, Japan...correct me if I'm worng, but isn't B&M located in Monthey, Switzerland?
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Wednesday, October 17, 2001 11:59 AM
You need the evil Quicktime images to view it.

It appears to be like a normal B&M Sitdown, but the seat area looks like it will be able to rotate...similar to a 4d.  Can't really tell much more so far (I'm only on like the 4th pic)...maybe the floor will drop down also - so there isn't a clearance issue.

 

Also - B&M may have inventors from other areas, one office doesn't equal all offices.

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Wednesday, October 17, 2001 12:00 PM
Incredible!! The design looks like it could  surpasses the Arrow 4-d design, kind of looks more practical but not as radical as the Arrow design. From the images and the description, it seems that the row of seats will rotate vertically and go upside down. I wonder when will see this design ?, it is also kind of cool how B&M is getting into even more sitting styles, even if they are making just variations. (Flying and now maybe 4-D)
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Wednesday, October 17, 2001 12:03 PM
Found another B&M patent:

http://patft.uspto.gov/netacgi/nph-Parser?Sect1=PTO2&Sect2=HITOFF&p=1&u=/netahtml/search-bool.html&r=3&f=G&l=50&co1=AND&d=ft00&s1='roller+coaster'&OS="roller+coaster"&RS="roller+coaster
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*** This post was edited by bigkirby on 10/17/2001. ***

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Wednesday, October 17, 2001 12:12 PM

Kirby....
Not to be rude...but have you ever ridden Raging Bull?  Pretty much looks like the Raging Bull Restraint System....I think what Jeff was showing was something new and different...your link just showed the Restraint device B&M came out with in like 99 for Raging Bull.  And turns out the Patent was dated Jan, 1999 and Raging Bull opened in May 1999.

*** This post was edited by SFGRAMBoy20 on 10/17/2001. ***

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Wednesday, October 17, 2001 12:18 PM
I swear I've seen that one before, bigkirby ;)

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Wednesday, October 17, 2001 12:19 PM
I don't want to tie this into a tragedy but did anyone notice the date of patent that bigkirby found?

However that is in interesting design *the first patent*.  From what I could decipher by reading, it will rotate freely with a dampening device.  I also double checked with the images and don't see any way (other that computer controlled) that the seats could rotate in any controlled way.

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Wednesday, October 17, 2001 12:22 PM
Here's a quote in the description in regards to the seats.

 

"...in the roller coaster in accordance with the present invention, the seats...are suspended to the car so as to rotate freely, when the compulsory external force such as a great amount of centrifugal force and gravity or the change in the acceleration during running are applied, the seats...are rotated by the external force, so that the external force can be significantly decreased.  Accordingly, a perpendicular running operation such as vertical descent, vertical ascent, vertical spiral motion and the like which are deemed to be impossible in the conventional art can be smoothly performed and the seats...can be operated to run backwards by rotation and inverse operation."

To me, that sounds like a 4D but instead of the seats being "programmed" to turn they will rotated freely.  ANd with that rotation, it will minimize G-loading. 

Also it appears that they can do vertical ascents and descents...am I the only one who sees a vertical lift hill in our future?

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Wednesday, October 17, 2001 12:25 PM

SFGRAMBoy20 said:

Kirby....
Not to be rude

Not at all, I wasn't quite sure what it was. Thanks!
Doesn't anyone know when Arrow's 4d patent was submitted? Looks like B&M is already improving on it.

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Wednesday, October 17, 2001 12:39 PM
This is not a patent by B&M.  If you look at the name of the inventor, it is Eiraku, Masahide, of Osaka Japan, and the assignee is Hoei Sangyo Co, Ltd of Osaka Japan.  If this was a B&M patent, then the assignee would be Bolliger and Mabillard of Monthey, Switzerland.
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Wednesday, October 17, 2001 12:48 PM
hmm...whats the word I am looking for...

....interesting....

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Wednesday, October 17, 2001 12:56 PM
Yes Alan, "interesting" is the correct word. :)
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Wednesday, October 17, 2001 1:49 PM
Could 6,158,354 possibly be the basis for the mysterious AIR vehicle?

Think about it...Turn those diagrams upside down (as in Fig. 6).........

--Dave Althoff, Jr.

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Wednesday, October 17, 2001 1:54 PM
Yes it is interesting...
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Wednesday, October 17, 2001 2:06 PM
Rideman, it is a good possiblity that it could be the AIR vehicles. but i kind of doubt it, considering AIR has been planned for quite some time, supposely seven years.  The patent was filed only last year. also, the fact that the seats would rotate during the ride, would seem to negate the theory but you never know....
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Wednesday, October 17, 2001 2:49 PM
Hmmm... There is something funny that I noticed.... If you care to look the car is on a Circular Spine... This may not be a B&M, but it could be. We'll have to wait and see :)

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Wednesday, October 17, 2001 3:29 PM
Whoops. My bad, you're right... it's not a B&M patent. I was looking at other patents from them and got confused.

But yeah, what I was really after was a patent for the air vehicle!

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Wednesday, October 17, 2001 3:38 PM
whoever designed it should have a very big success on their hands. Does anyone know what company it is?
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Wednesday, October 17, 2001 3:46 PM
I was wondering why it said Osaka, Japan. "B&M? In Japan? New to me..."
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