Black Mamba - B&M inverter at Phantasialand

Thursday, October 27, 2005 2:39 AM
I haven´t seen a topic for this and since construction is now at a point where things get really interesting: Here it is!

It is going to be a small-ish B&M Inverter with 5 inversions.

Neighbour-plagued Phantasialand is going the "Nemesis Way" and digs this coaster into the ground. It will traverse through a newly built african section of the park. Theming seems to be very extensive on this one.

See (pictures up til yesterday):

I must say that I am a little bit mad that I moved away from the vicinity of the park last year.

Thursday, October 27, 2005 3:54 AM
Wow... how are they gonna fit 5 inversion in there?
Thursday, October 27, 2005 7:39 AM
The layout begins with a Talon-like sequence of vertical loop, 0G roll and Immelmann, after which there is a corkscrew, turnaround and another corkscrew, followed by an unusual hiG underground figure-8 helix.

Looks like the German cousin to Nemesis at Alton Towers, only that in this case, all the landscaping and building is done artificially.
The layout looks like the ride will never really let go of its positive Gs in the second half.
I hope that there is no MCBR between the two corks.
The first installation of a B&M inverted coaster in Germany ever!

Thursday, October 27, 2005 10:54 AM
Is it just me or does the box frame of the track on the lift hill look a bit different from B&M? Idk, maybe it's just the angle...
Tuesday, January 10, 2006 2:12 AM
Woo, took some searching, but I found this thread. I've been following the construction of this ride and to me, it looks like it could be B&M's most intense ride yet. Here's some updated pictures:

This along with Thunderbird, Speed Monster, and the new Maurer Sohne ride in Spain makes for a nice lineup for Europe this summer.

Wednesday, January 11, 2006 11:16 AM

Why does Europe get all the bad*ss theming?

Wednesday, January 11, 2006 11:48 AM
Because we get most of the bad*ss balances out kind, not really. :)
Monday, January 16, 2006 8:09 AM
More pictures:

This is going to be very twisted and probably totally overthemed. (The sketches promise a walkway through the loop.)

There is reason to debate if the Immelman on this ride will actually count as an inversion. It is more or less an extreme overbank leading into a drop. Alledgedly it will be titled "junior Immelman". DOH!

Check out the buried helix. This could be really fast and loaded with Gs and limb-choppers.

Monday, January 16, 2006 11:23 AM
^That's funny, I was thinking 'inclined Immelmann' when I first saw the pics...

This thing looks unbelievable. Not that I've ridden Nemesis, but I think Black Mamba may give it a run for its money. I can't wait to see the finished product.

Monday, January 16, 2006 12:14 PM

kitsch-transporter said:

Alledgedly it will be titled "junior Immelman". DOH!

No, no... according to rcdb it's called a junior immelman, and only because Duane felt it needed to be distinguished from a standard immelman. Pretty sure B&M and Phantasialand have nothing to do with that name (which is fine, because I don't think there needs to be a distinction in terms at all). In my mind it's an immelman, and if you want to get real particular, I'll conceed that it's an inclined immelman.

Monday, January 16, 2006 12:29 PM
This is off topic but instead of starting a new thread I need to ask this question? Why was hercules at dorney park closed in 03? This is off topic and has probably been asked many times but i would really like to know. Thank you!
Monday, January 16, 2006 12:37 PM
Off topic? Naw! I'm just glad that out of all the other current topics, you chose the one regarding a B&M invert located in Europe as the appropriate one to ask a question regarding Hercules. Makes sense to me. :)

Back on topic, This thing looks nuts! Talk about foot choppers! This thing looks like it will be quite the dissorientating ride. All of the smaller B&M inverts in Europe look fun and quite intense. Nemesis, Inferno and now this. Maybe one of the smaller U.S. parks will decide to try one of these babies instead of even more SLC's.

*** Edited 1/16/2006 5:40:54 PM UTC by Incidentalist***

Monday, January 16, 2006 12:47 PM
It'd be cool to see Kennywood try something like this.
Monday, January 16, 2006 12:53 PM
I'm hoping for SDC myself.
Monday, January 16, 2006 6:08 PM
It's probably going to be one for those who would have loved B&M to produce more small and intense rides along the lines of their Batman clones, instead of going for the smooth floaty but less forceful flavour. Depending on its speed, Black Mamba could get really crazy
The best thing in my opinion is that it doesn't have a break run, but will be speed and surprises non-stop from beginning to end.
Wednesday, January 18, 2006 1:58 PM
I still don't know so could someone please tell me. As for picking this thread to ask my question, it would be inappropriate to ask it in any thread understanding that it would be off topic in any of them. I am asking the same question again. Why was hercules closed in 03? I'm not here asking this question to please or hold to any standards for anyone K. Bye for now.
Wednesday, January 18, 2006 2:01 PM
^ Well... you should use the search function on every page to find the answer to your question, but I'll help you out.

It was closed to make room for Hydra, and because it had become such a painful maintenence nightmare that it wasn't profitable or desirable to keep it in the park's line-up, in their opinion.

Also, if you can't find an answer through search, start a new thread rather than asking it in an existing one.


Wednesday, January 18, 2006 2:14 PM
The small windows on the buildings that accompany the lift hill do an amazing job of tricking the eye into thinking that they are much larger. I keep having to re-adjust my perspective when I see the huge track piece ascending into the side.

Similar to the effect of the mountain on Everest.

Monday, January 23, 2006 4:12 PM
Hey, look, the track is almost complete!

Now, I think it's about time the true coaster geeks started to argue whether that third THINGY counts as an inversion.


(It's barely more than 90° - with this kind of logic, Expedition GeForce would have at least 2 inversions.)


*** EDIT: The second thingy is actually the third... the 0G roll wasn't visible earlier.
*** Edited 1/25/2006 3:00:48 PM UTC by superman***

Monday, January 23, 2006 6:28 PM
*me phones B&M*

Me: Hey so, what're you guys calling that third element after the drop on Black Mamba?

Secretary: Hold please.

*me holds*

Secretary: Sir?

Me: Yes?

Secretary: Mr.'s B. & M. say it's an Immelman.

Me: Inversion?

Secretary: Immelman.

Me: Good enough for me!



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