BGW to go before planning board for New France Addition

Who said Gwazi was a disappointment for Busch? I never remember hearing or reading that. As far as I know, the company is very happy with what the coaster did for the park.

While the height variance could be for a drop tower, I'm thinking this is going to be another B&M ride. I doubt Busch will build an Intamin, especially because they've already installed 7 B&Ms and no Intamins.

Didn't it say something about the new attraction taking up five acres? I don't think there's a drop ride that could take up that much space. I know you were just saying, though, but yeah I'd put money on a B&M Diver...man, the views from that thing will be phenomenal! Hope it's a little longer than SheiKra, too.

JC

Somebody ought to hire that Coasterphan guy! I like his idea. If not BGW...then somewhere else maybe!

Did you guys catch this in the Memorandum:

"The proposal calls for the new buildings (and associated expansion) to be constructed near the center of the theme park near the northwest end of the Rhine River, and just north of the existing Alpengeist rollercoaster attraction. The new buildings and expansion will replace an attraction currently located in that vicinity."

What is going to be removed or relocated? Some of the shops?

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Coasterphan said:
Sorry, but I really don't see any park "lacking a launch coaster", especially either Busch park. Yeah, I like them for the quick thrill that they offer, but after riding them several times, you start to realize that the whole thrill of a launch coaster is the launch itself.

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That's because nobody's done it 'right' yet and used the launch as a replacement for the lift rather than a gimmick unto itself.

Once someone does a full layout coaster with the lift replaced by a launch - then we're talking.

For example - Hulk. There's a lot more to that ride than the launch. (and to a lesser extent Cali Screamin' and Volcano)

Somone posted this link on another website.

I highly doubt a launch, but the one that's really intriguing me that I *could* get to this year that's themed and family and BGW-ish in nature....PowderKeg.

I am nowhere NEAR saying that that's what I believe to be going in there, I have no *official* guess as of yet...just sayin', PKeg from appearances looks like the KIND of launch that *could* be a first for a Busch park.

Smart money says Walter and Claude are weathering the temporary business turndown for coaster manufacturers....should last at least until SnyderCo sells, that is... ;)

edit: Re Gwazi: All things considered, Rob, throughput, maintenance that they really are no good at, continuously having one side down....GCII does NOT build lemons. I can do the math from there.

It really can be a GREAT ride. They need to hire someone with LOADS of wooden coaster experience if they want to maintain two coasters that operate year round, and investing in some MFlyers seems like the best option. Had Gwazi had those trains (and the height not been SO tall), then I would consider a wood-coaster possibility.

edit again, LOL: "an attraction" I don't think would constitute shops...could be wrong.
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Didn't GCI decide to call it quits as far as using PTC trains on all of their new coasters as a result of the roughness issue on gwazi?

GCI can build some fine twister layouts but those PTC's can sure ruin the ride experience after a couple of seasons because those trains just can't handle the tight layouts as well as the more articulated M-flyers can.

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Jeffrey R Smith said:
Somebody ought to hire that Coasterphan guy! I like his idea. If not BGW...then somewhere else maybe!

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Thank you, I've actually had that idea for a dueling wood coaster at BGW for about 3 years now. All they have to do is build a Spain section of the park, and like my idea enough to build it. Then we can all ride it with really big smiles on our faces.

I always loved BGW's way of using the terrain to the fullest extent(Not counting coasters that are no longer there, to make my point ;-)) for their coasters.

With that said, How is the terrain of BGW suppose to be any better for a dive coaster? The biggest part of a dive coaster are the 90 degree drops, right. Are there alot of cliff faces in the New France area that would be beneficial for a dive coaster to drop off of? It seems to me that this type of coaster would be completely exposed. Yes I know that Appolo's Chariot is completely exposed with the new park lot, but before the parking lot went in, you couldn't see anything more than the lift hill, which I loved.

If they can do a dive coaster the way they've blended in their other coasters, then fantastic, great job. But, that is we'll have to wait and see. *** Edited 3/4/2006 1:10:43 AM UTC by Coasterphan***

^with those cliffs however, they can have a majority of the drop be underground and save in construction costs by using a hill to their advantage and have the coaster come spewing out the face of the hill parrell to the ground (makes for an easier and shorter tunnel then one where the ride dips then rises again). I hope they find a way to have the coaster be visable from the center valley of the park, like Alpie and LNM are; just think of the view that would be, Arrows only remaining interlocking loop, Alpie's Cobra Roll and a dive coaster.

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CoasterSqueak said:
Did you guys catch this in the Memorandum:

"The proposal calls for the new buildings (and associated expansion) to be constructed near the center of the theme park near the northwest end of the Rhine River, and just north of the existing Alpengeist rollercoaster attraction. The new buildings and expansion will replace an attraction currently located in that vicinity."

What is going to be removed or relocated? Some of the shops?

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It sounds like possibly the area where the Le Mans Raceway (antique cars) is located. I know that this area is currently in 'France', but it does border the 'New France' area. Nothing that a little retheming and 'boundary relocation' can't change. I've heard rumors elsewhere that the car ride may be removed. Perhaps there's something to this rumor now.

I read through the information posted, am I wrong in that this ride could stretch from just west or around the old Drachen Fire site, back behind the Festhaus and then meeting up north of Alpengeist? So I'm speaking of a west to east route on the northernmost edge of the park where the railroad runs? I realize this is a little out of the main footprint but could the information be interpreted this way? Meanwhile, that contradicts mention of the queue building being located in a central location within the park which was repeatedly stated. What kind of course are we speculating?

With regards to the terrain, after Sheikra, I don't think there needs to be any special terrain for the dive coaster, especially if they're asking for a 210 foot height variance. Just build the whole thing above ground and let her fly. Then manmade tunnels can be added along the way, maybe on the secondary drops.

I read on another site that the two buildings they were putting up were the load and unload stations. Rumor has it that the Raceway is leaving...which I don't mind :)

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Mantis2 said:
I read through the information posted, am I wrong in that this ride could stretch from just west or around the old Drachen Fire site, back behind the Festhaus and then meeting up north of Alpengeist? So I'm speaking of a west to east route on the northernmost edge of the park where the railroad runs? I realize this is a little out of the main footprint but could the information be interpreted this way? Meanwhile, that contradicts mention of the queue building being located in a central location within the park which was repeatedly stated. What kind of course are we speculating?

With regards to the terrain, after Sheikra, I don't think there needs to be any special terrain for the dive coaster, especially if they're asking for a 210 foot height variance. Just build the whole thing above ground and let her fly. Then manmade tunnels can be added along the way, maybe on the secondary drops.

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NO! They can't do that, please say that they won't do that. Hide it in the terrain, do what has worked best up to this point.

California Screamin? The launch is just there as a gimmick! The ride in itself is a perfect family coaster and with or without the launch, the ride could exist and be almost the same thing.

Something like Powderkeg could be perfect.

No. I gave Cali Screamin' as an example of a ride where the launch is not just a gimmick. Perhaps I worded it confusingly?

Take a look at this:O This new attraction is going to cover 5 acres, and there is going to be a queue building and a loading/unloading station.

LINK: http://www.jccegov.com/pdf/pcpdfs/pc2006/030606pc/5j_mem.pdf

^Great find, anyway we can get that map? Looks like the LeMans speedway is going down, the location mentions New France, Near Alpengeist, and in the center of the park. While Im happy a new coaster is going in, they are getting rid of a flat ride, and one that kids and adults can ride together; hope this decision doesnt come back to bite them.

I agree Touchdown. That would be a poor decision to take out the Le Mans. History has proven that taking out family rides is usually not a good idea. The Le Mans is a staple in the park and had one of the longest lines when I visited last summer. Maybe it is getting moved or will be untouched if BGW can build around it.