Better flyer? - CoasterBuzz

I like the vekomas layout better than B&M's but when it comes to loading times and dispatching and capacity its all B&M.

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I honestly think the Vekoma ride is better. The B&M version is smooth and comfortable, but it's just not that exciting to me. To much 'meandering,' and not enough action.

B&M:
Reliable
Better capacity
Great pretzel loop
Climbing hill in flying position
More comfortable restraints

Vekoma:
Somehow feels more like flying
Best conventional loop on any coaster. Love the dropping sensation at the top.
Great helix
Roll over at top of lift hill

Each has it's own virtues. Both have the inherent fault of any flyer that things just can't happen very fast due to the low G limit imposed by the riding position.

Mamoosh said:
IMHO Knoebels has the best flyers..

Or maybe PKI.

Vekoma for the ride, B & M for the trains.

Still waiting for a custom flyer in an awesome location, using the terrain throughout the ride. Now that would be cool.

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Mike Miller - Fits in the Vekoma restraints just fine, thank you.

I really want Disney to do one. Could you imagine a Space Mountain-sized, Peter Pan-style ride done with a B&M flyer?

That would be cool, if you ask me.
*** This post was edited by chris 7/8/2003 12:34:31 PM ***

Andy - I'm with you on the restraints. I can't for the life of me figure out who could find those to be painful? How can you bang your head off of something that is soft and pull taught against your shoulders? I think the Vekoma flyer restraint is the msot comfortable looping restraint out there (with Apollo's Chariot being most comfortable overall).

I've never ridden the B&M flyer, but honestly after looking at the layout, I'm not excited by it. I'd much rather ride AIR than S:UF, because of the aforementioned interaction with rocks, paths, etc rather than a coaster in a parking lot that really doesn't seem to do all that much. Give me AIR or give me Stealth! (Or XFlight if Stealth isn't readily available ;) )

Oh and Vekoma reliability people - X-Flight was running double-station with no mechanical (but a few GP) issues or breakdowns yesterday! Very impressive I must say ...

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"As soon as you design something that's idiot-proof, the world will go and design a better idiot."
--Brett

Chris, I love your idea...however, Peter Pan is more of a kiddie theme and I'm sure there would be a big ol height limit. Then again, Disney COULD probably come up with a way to make it accomodate smaller bodies and be tamer for the kids.

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"But where's the feeelth?" - Uncle Vainstein

Just get rid of the pretzel loop on S:UF, and basically you have a flyer that the kids could ride(given, the restraints could accomodate them).

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Exactly, Chitown. All that 'meandering' on S:UF would be *so cool* if were done in a totally immersive Disney environment.

Bass sez:

"Vekoma for the ride, B & M for the trains.

Still waiting for a custom flyer in an awesome location, using the terrain throughout the ride. Now that would be cool."

I agree 100%!

mOOSH

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I would think that the Vekoma restraint could be tweaked to accomodate a little kiddo easier than a B&M (assuming that its still a semi-hard horsecollar as the base of the restraint?) If you slapped an X-style movement capacity on the shoulder piece of the seat, I'm sure someone as small as a 3 or 4 year old could fit in a Vekoma seat (although do we really want to subject kids that small to Vekoma already? ;) j/k )

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"As soon as you design something that's idiot-proof, the world will go and design a better idiot."
--Brett

BaSSiStiSt said:

Still waiting for a custom flyer in an awesome location, using the terrain throughout the ride. Now that would be cool.

Does Air not count?

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BaSSiStiSt said:

Still waiting for a custom flyer in an awesome location, using the terrain throughout the ride. Now that would be cool.
Sounds to me like you are waiting for the proposed flyer (crosses fingers) for Carowinds Smurf Island.

ApolloAndy said:
Does Air not count?
Don't know, haven't been on it yet! ;-)
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Air very much counts. As I've posted elsewhere, in many ways it's my favorite of the flyers that have been built so far...

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I just don't like laying on my stomach. That's not my idea of a good time. So I give thumbs down to both. :)

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