Better flyer?

After riding S:UF at SFGam, I wondered if there are better flyers out there. Aside from the initial positioning on S:UF, I felt the ride was not that great. Are flyers like X-Flight or Stealth any better?

IMHO Knoebels has the best flyers.

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You aren't going to do much better than SUF. From what I hear, the Vekomas are OK but the B&Ms are much better. And as far as Air vs. SUF goes, both look like great rides but SUF has a much more interesting and intense layout.

So basically if SUF isn't to good, your screwed as far as finding a good flying coaster.

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There was a topic that was more of less B&M flyer vs. Vekoma flyer just a little while ago. I like the Vekomas better, but the B&M's have redeeming qualities for sure (mainly reliablity and capacity).

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It's a waste of time (& bandwidth) to even have this debate.

Let's face it everyone despises vekoma & every single pathetic excuse for a coaster they've tried to build,while B&M is revered by everyone as the end all be all of coasterdom as we know it(although their flyers seem to have just as much trouble lately as the vekoma version)so this thread is pretty much pointless.

Earlier today someone on SFN posted the saame thread in the debates forum,to which I gave pretty much the same answwer for exactly the same reason.

BATWING FAN SFA said:

Let's face it everyone despises vekoma & every single pathetic excuse for a coaster they've tried to build

^Funny, coming from someone who's screen name is a Vekoma coaster. ;)

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My sarchasm alert is going off, but I can't tell for sure. Mostly because the only two posts so far have presented opposing view points.

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BATWING FAN SFA said:

B&M is revered by everyone as the end all be all of coasterdom as we know it(although their flyers seem to have just as much trouble lately as the vekoma version)so this thread is pretty much pointless.

B&M flyers are having trouble?? Revered by everyone?? Funny, I'm here almost every day, did I miss something? The reliability factor is what *makes* B&M...sure, there were a few MINOR problems in the beginning with AIR, but the Vekomas have had infinitely more trouble maintaining uptime and capacity. That being said, IMO, the Vekomas ARE the "better flyer" you seek. Sure, you'll wait in line a LONG time for a ride, and it'll probably have a minor breakdown or two along the way, but the experience, for me at least, was more rewarding in the end...

bill, shows *reverence* to no company...until one of them offers to hire me...:)

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BATWING FAN SFA said:

Let's face it everyone despises vekoma & every single pathetic excuse for a coaster they've tried to build,while B&M is revered by everyone as the end all be all of coasterdom as we know it(although their flyers seem to have just as much trouble lately as the vekoma version)so this thread is pretty much pointless.

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Well to follow what gator said a little - we have had this discussion several times around here and the general consensus seems to be that while Vekoma has an inferior train/harness design, the their flyers are indeed more fun in terms of layout.

I believe the last thread on the subject ended with much agreement that if you could have B&M do the Vekoma layout you'd have the best of both worlds.

This is one area where the blind B&M loyalty wavers more than any other.

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*** This post was edited by Lord Gonchar 7/4/2003 12:49:18 PM ***

<sar"chasm">Bill the fact that you think a Vekoma could ever be better then a B&M shows just how much a of a moron you are. Seriously B&M can do no wrong. </sar"chasm">

Actually I do abhore the Vekoma's, the restraints keep me from doing anythign but be terrified.

If you wanna talk about layouts I'll give it too you though. While the loop and inline twists do nothign for me. The horsehoe and helix make the ride.

Take your standard S:UF, make one or all of the turns teh Vekoma style horseshoe, and end it with a downward helix into the inline twist and you have the perfect flyer.

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Just found the thread:

http://www.coasterbuzz.com/forum.aspx?mode=thread&TopicID=27519

Interesting opinions on the flying coasters.

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Brent....did you really need THIS thread to know what a moron I am.....c'mon, 5,000 or so posts can't ALL be wrong...:)

Morons unite! How about a Million Moron March?

some of the B&M flyers had a large amount of down time, but none had significantly down time. air V SUF well i think SUF is more to thrill, while air is all just pure fun a nd excitement :)

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*Gasp* I agree with Brent...

...for trains, loading/unloading, capacity - B&M rocks!

...and while S:UF layout is great, I like the layout of XFlight better...

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Am I the only one who had no problems with the Vekoma restraints? In addition, I think the Vekoma trains give you a better flying feeling because your legs are more extended than the B&M trains. I actually think the Vekomas with better reliability, better capacity, and a pretzel would be ideal.

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I really dont have much to really complain about with the vekoma flyers. The first time I rode batwing was opening season and it had its share of downtime, but now when I go there usually arent any problems. My biggest complaint is capacity, but thats usually the cause of only 2 or 3 ops on the ride.

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I prefer the Vekoma flyers because (as someone stated earlier) you get a better sensation of flying. To me, it seemed on S:UF I was in more of a sitting position, where as on X-Flight my legs were not at a 90 degree angle. I also like the layout of the Vekoma flyer better. But, I don't have a problem with B&M flyers either.

I'd have to go with coasterfan22 on that one. The vekoma flyers, i think, have a more intense layout, but they have slow loading times.

you want a better flyer? go to Fiesta Texas next year then.......

X-Flight is a more thrilling and intense experience.