Arrow Dynamics

Arrow Dynamics has built The Magnum-XL 200 they invented Hypercoasters. They built Knott's Berry Farm's Corkscrew(the First modern inversion coaster). But other than the MAD MOUSE coasters I haven't seen much from Arrow Dynamics. I really wish they would try to compete with Intamin, B&M, and Morgan. I've heard of there ArrowBatic, and Compact Inverted coaster that is a meaner and madder version of the Mad Mouse coasters. But I still haven't seen one anywhere. Does anyone know anything about it??? What do you think of Arrow?

I absolutely love Arrow. IMO, their loopers are better than B&M's. DDon't know why I like 'em, I just do. Also, those ArrowBATics look damned good. Especially the extreme version. I mean, with a 90 degree plunge, 152 ft lift, and I think 4 inverions, it sounds like a pretty sweet coaster. And I wonder if they're hinting at The Bat by having the letters BAT capatilized in the name. Also, I personally expect them to get back as a major player in the industry in 2002, inwhich I believe PKI will hire them to design a new coaster.

I was beginning to think the same thing IntaminFan2000. Arrow has not really built anything significant in quite a while. I personally love Arrow Rides, in fact I consider Vortex at PKI one of the best rides I've been on. I think the ArrowBATic is a cool idea, but I don't know when it will be made into reality. Hopefully Arrow will begin to compete with the other companies soon. You can get a lot of information on the ArrowBATic at Arrow's website:

http://www.arrowdynamics.com/

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For some reason I consider CP Arrow's home park. They built more of there rides there than anywhere else. I have been hoping for a new Arrow there ever since they did there water masterpiece "Snake River Falls". I have noticed that majority of Arrow rides have had problems. Many of these problems were design errors. Majority of the problems were small and easily fixed but I have been surprised of the number of Arrows that have closed in the not to distant past. Steel Phantom, Drachen Fire, and a spoon full of others.

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"...If We don't get you there in five minutes we don't get you there at all. ~Dispatch Master Tran

The more Arrow rides I get on, the more I'm content with them staying out of the race. They've got some real hits with their mine trains coasters (and yes, Magnum is an overgrown mine train), but anything with turns and loops has proven to be an ugly ride for me.

Arrow has nearly disappeared because they've been essentially using the same technology for twenty years. Intamin and B&M have taken the process to another level. Comparing them with Arrow is like night and day. I still contend that Arrow's best moments of the late Eighties and early Nineties were good "mistakes." They've had a lot of casualties (Bat, Drachen Fire, Steel Phantom, etc.) that very nearly have put them out of business.

This is not to say, they're dead in the water. They seem to have been pouring their R&D in to smaller rides, most notably wild mouse-type rides and the Arrowbatic. I hope for their sake they make some waves with these products.

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Jeff
Webmaster/Admin - CoasterBuzz.com

To me arrow is very low on my list of great coasters. Sure the magnum is an arrow; however we call that ride the mistake by the lake. Every time I look at an arrow car I see a huge gap between the upstop wheel and the track. When I look at a B&M or Intamin I see no play at all. That makes it a rougher ride on the arrow. For those that like those rough rides great. It is just something I am not real prone to. Notice how arrow is not the company building the hypers and giga's now. Maybe if they fixed their cars it would change. I heard a rumor that they were redesigning their trains, but I am not sure. Even when I looked at the arrow mad mouse at MA there was play on those upstop wheels. If arrow built a hyper for the cost of it I would be pretty mad when after a year or so I saw play between the upstop wheel and the track. To me that is unacceptable. (Unless that is not the cause of the arrow roughness, if something else makes arrows rough please do tell. Part of it to is those horrible overhead restraints)

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Whose Line is it Anyway?

Yo, I still gotta give props to Arrow. B&M and Intamin weren't always the greatest coaster manufacutures either. Ever heard of rides like Flashback, Iron Wolf, Batman: The Escape.

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Goliath: The most intense Hyper in the world.

You have to give credit to Arrow though. If it weren't for them, there probably wouldn't be any of these great other rollercoasters out there. They made the steel tubular track that evolved into all of these other rides. People took it to the next level above Arrow, but still. Arrow is the father of modern day intense/awesome rollercoasters.

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Shawn Bailes
Webmaster of Coasters R Us
http://coastersrus.home-page.org

Hey, Arrow did a good job in my book because Vortex(PKI) is higer on my list of great coasters than Mantis or Raptor.
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DOWN WITH TRIM BRAKES!

"If it weren't for them, there probably wouldn't be any of these great other rollercoasters out there."

I sincerely doubt that. Firms build what the customers (the parks) want. If Arrow couldn't do it, someone else could.

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Jeff
Webmaster/Admin - CoasterBuzz.com

Wow...just looked at the Arrow-batic pics and plans, and it looks awesome! I'd love to see a park near me get one. Looks like an intense, fun ride.

Jman

I've always wondered why, with the success of Magnum, Cedar Fair decided to go with Morgan for their other hypers.

Money, is there another reason? Actually, maybe there is...

Remember that Magnum was a near disaster as well. Let's not forget the reprofile leading up to the pretzel and the seriously altered trains, namely the fact that they shipped without padding. They also shipped without upstop wheels, and instead had the hooks you find on Gemini. Then there was the necessary addition of the trim. In short, Magnum didn't exactly work as they hoped right out of the box.

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Jeff
Webmaster/Admin - CoasterBuzz.com

Remember that when Cedar Fair was looking to have Wild Thing constructed, Arrow was in the midst of a major corporate restructure which involved shuffling everybody around and cutting the staff roughly in half. Remember, too, that Morgan's engineering staff, including Steve Okamoto, Morgan's lead coaster engineer, consists largely of people who used to work for Arrow. In a very real sense, when Cedar Fair contracted with Morgan to build Wild Thing, they were contracting with the same people who built Magnum...they were just working for a different employer...!

--Dave Althoff, Jr.

Remember Iron Wolf was the coaster that intoduced us to the B&M name. B&M standups blow away any of the other standup coasters that exist.

BMCOASTER

Raging Bull #1

"For some reason I consider CP Arrow's home park."

Disneyland or Six Flags Over Texas are to me because thats where Arrow started building bigger rides. *** This post was edited by coaster0 on 8/21/2000. ***

Maybe I should reword what I said. I meant that there probably wouldn't be any of the coasters there were and what came to be. It probably would have taken longer to develop the newer rides from the new tubular track. After arrow started using it, other manufacturing companies did too. Sorry if I was confusing. I can be sometimes.

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Shawn Bailes
Webmaster of Coasters R Us
http://coastersrus.home-page.org

The Magnum, although it had it's problems, is still a great coaster. Rome wasn't built in a day. Every coaster is bound to have problems, its just that arrow designed magnum so that it needed some "tweeking" before it could operate correctly.

Although Arrow Dynamics does seem to be dying out of the feild, they still build rides, just not as many. The ArrowBATic does seem cool, but it may also have its problems "cough cough BAT cough"

I just do hope that they make a comeback, but not with looping hypers, but good stuff like the magnum.


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Ride 'Till you drop

I was watching a coaster show and showed new Arrow cars for an invert style ride. The restrainst closed inward like King Cobras at PKI (I know it's TOGO) and would adjust in height like Viper at SFGAdv. They looked pretty cool to me. Maybe they will redo their standard trains with these restraints as well.
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Parks hit for 2000!
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Personally, I like Arrow, because rough rides don't bother me at all. I also like the look of all of Arrow's rides. To me, B&M's look like gigantic tinker toys. PKI's Vortex is an excellent ride,and when I got off of it, my head was spinning more than when I get off Raptor.

I will forever be a number one fan of the Magnum. No matter what hypers are built, they always are held up to Magnum's standards. Magnum set the standards for hypercoasters. Notice how most hypercoasters have tunnels? That is because Magnum has them. I hate to suggest this and cause a stir, but I seriously doubt Millennium Force would even have tunnels if Magnum didn't have them. Even MF has something to owe to Magnum.

Jeff, I have a question. I have ridden Magnum more times than I can remember, but the first time I rode it was in its second season. What kind of reprofiling did CP do before the pretzel? I seem to remember an incident in its first season where Magnum got stuck on the track with riders on it because of wind with that caused the ride to rollback or stop or something like that...and I wonder if that had anything to do with CP's reprofiling. What exactly did CP do to change the layout?