Are Stand Ups Dead?

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He should, then have a coasterbuzz party at his house, unlimited rides on KC!!!!! Well maybe after one or two rides people wouldn't really care for the point that they could ride it as many times as they want, they would be in too much pain.

I will never understand the argument.....

"oh , but it hurt my crotch"

Geez, Do you purposefully bend down or something during the ride? I always have at least six inches between the seat and me.

Stand-ups DEFINATELY make the rides much more intense. I mean , look how spread out those inversions are. They are good rides(to me) , but they are out of style. The riding position is no novelty to me , and neither the Stand-up or Flyer will ever get old.

Okay I've said my peace. Now can't you just leave me alone? :)

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Who just want to say that his opinion owns joo.

Impulsive - While I do agree that the floorless train on the standup coaster is a pipe-dream (mostly just because it won't happen, not because the layout is really that different from a floorless's) I don't think your analysis for the outside loop on the flyer is accurate.

The supports on X are huge and very tightly spaced throughout the ride simply because the trains weigh a ton (or many tons, to be exact). The flyer trains are in the same ballpark as the inverts (I'm basing this solely on the spacing of the supports on S:UF vs. B:TR) so the support system for the loop would be the same. As for the restraints, I think they could hold up under the force, it's just a matter of whether that would actaully be fun rather than painful. As I mentioned in a much earlier thread about flyers, if you made the loops like Talon's (tall and skinny -> weak pull in and pull out, snap over at the top) it wouldn't be bad at all.

That said, this topic is about a totally different beaten to death topic: standups.

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*** This post was edited by ApolloAndy 10/7/2003 12:22:16 AM ***

My theory for at least the last year is that the Scorcher was the last stand-up. It's possible another may be built in the future, but I can't imagine why. As everyone else has essentially stated, the idea of standing up is a novelty that has or will have worn off before long. Of the stand-ups that I've ridden, this is how I'd rate them (more or less):

1. King Cobra (PKI)
2. Georgia Scorcher (SFoG)
3. Shockwave (PKD)
4. Mantis (CP)
5. Chang (SFKK)
6. Vortex (PC)

I love Togo trains so much more than B&M's, and I actually prefer air on stand-ups to the intense positive Gs that the larger B&Ms are known for, which tend to hurt my legs a bit. I hope Shockwave sticks around longer than KC did.

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I think Impulse-ive nailed it on the problem with playing musical trains on standups. Two of my favorite elements on Mantis, and two of the more intense ones, are the heavy and quick banking transitions. These elements wouldn't work like they do with a sitdown train. It seems most people either hate or love stand ups, and while the only one I've ridden is Mantis, I really like the intensity of the forces it provides. Just last night the trims were virtually off on the drop and you can really feel the forces. Would I recommend a park to put in a new stand up? Probably not because there are more practical options and a lot of people aren't impressed by them. But I guess I'm one of the people who likes an intense ride and I'd hate to hear of one of the big stand ups being removed.

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Who still says that his opinion ownz joo(and yes, I did spell it right that time)

thepinkdoomofmonkeys said:
I will never understand the argument.....

"oh , but it hurt my crotch"

Geez, Do you purposefully bend down or something during the ride? I always have at least six inches between the seat and me.

If you have a tall torso it can't be avoided. If my shoulders are touching the top of the restraints my crotch still touches the seat....and I'm not THAT tall! :(

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*** This post was edited by Peabody 10/7/2003 12:34:19 AM ***

I'm sure it's been said, but in case it hasn't:

There's one bit of Riddler's that I don't think would work nearly as well as a sit-down/floorless/whatever. That almost 90 degree airtime filled twist right before the turn into the MCBR is awesome, and I think it's even better standing up. The way you float nearly sideways through it while extended fully in a standing position seems like something that literally could not be replicated it a sit-down position.

That being said, my dream ride would be full of those, but there's no way that would sell. "Whaddya mean there's no inversions, it just looks like a highly banked, hilly slalom course!!"

;)

Well... Riddlers Revenge at SFMM is still my most loved coaster.
It would probably work as a sitdown as well, but the feeling of having your own 2 feet on that platform and standing up during the ride definitely adds to the gorgeous feeling that this coaster gives you (or at least gave me until I last rode it in 2001).
It's true that standup layouts need to be much more "forceless" as the riders carry their own weight more or less completely, but in the case of Riddler, it still gives you 6 fantastic inversions that all feel completely like flying.
The last corkscrew can be a little harsh on the legs when you're not somewhere in the middle of the train, but in general this is one perfectly engineered dream of a coaster.
I especially love the two Dive-Loops - although some people might argue that having the same element twice in a row makes a ride "boring".

This feeling of speed, smootheness and the sense of flying is what makes this one stand out... a coaster that you can trust completely.
I have yet to ride another coaster that does the same for me.
*** This post was edited by superman 10/7/2003 5:12:31 AM ***

If anyone here has ridden Standing and Loop Coaster at Yomiuriland, perhaps they can comment on how the same ride feels with standup and sitdown cars.

I think the stand-up concept was a good idea and was executed in an ok fashion. The trains could be more comfortable and easier to operate from an operators perspective, but the general public still lines up for them. I don't think we will see many more of them just like we haven't seen as many hypercoasters, boomerangs, etc in recent years...Trends change, the parks have to go with what the people want. People still like standups but they want something new.

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I don't get what's with alot of people not liking Mantis. It's a truly amazing roller coaster and I swear that my head never touched the restraints, plus I also got a trimless drop too! I love that ride to death and it's sits at number 4 on my CP coaster list (behind TTD, MF, and Raptor). I got more headbanging on Raptor (right before entering the break run) than I did on Mantis! Maybe it's because I've trained myself, not just by choice but also by necessity, on how to prevent headbanging on roller coasters at the B&M and Intaminless Paramount Canada's Wonderland (I can almost turn a SLC into a enjoyable experiance!), or maybe it's just because it's a great coaster. Mantis also had the second longest lineup of my entire trip to CP (just behind TTD) with a 45 minute wait, and it wasn't just because stand-ups have a longer load time.

To me stand-ups are more than just a novelty, they're a totally unique ride experiance which I hope are here to stay!