Any MF trouble??

I understand your reasoning, but we really don't know if they could sue over TTD, or couldn't over MF without seeing the contracts. CP lawyers are paid the big bucks to think about everything that could go wrong and write it into the contract. If there is no clause that prevents Intamin from designing the seats for people with a max waist of 32", then the lawyers did not do their job. There has to be some clause; what it is and why it has not come into play is what concerns me. *** Edited 5/10/2005 12:57:04 AM UTC by RavenTTD***

Raven, I am talking about sueing Intamin over the fact that TTD allways breaks down (it was down most of the day yesterday due to multiple rollbacks); with the threat of CP sueing Intamin, I would hope the latter would be more amiable to finding a solution to the MF problem to satisfy CP, nar even a clause in the out of court settlement over the TTD problem.

I agree however that it is unlikely CP could sue Intamin over the size issue on MF or TTD.

I know what you meant; I just want them to sue over the size. ;) But the same point applies; you have to see the contract. Maybe Intamin insisted on generous wording for them since they were doing something that had not been done before. Maybe they settled damages already on their own. We don't know for sure they could sue or use leverage over Intamin, but that really does not matter. Getting larger restraints is a service that can be obtained if CP wants it bad enough.

Agreed

I'm pretty skinny and the metal bar of the supports actually hits the seat, so Im just fine, but I only have about 4 inches of slack so its amazing how bigger people actually fit in that thing.

I'm sure all ya have to do is suck it in and then you know it'll fit! :)

Well...a lawsuit would make sense, I think we would all like to see Cedar Point take the side of the guests for once and sue intamin for all the mistakes that they have made with the past three rides at Cedar Point...yeah I said three (MF, TTD, oh and don't forget that Wicked Twister had major problems in season one.....It looks to me like CP jumped into a three ride contract with Intamin in order to save them some money overall but as you can tell all the negative comments from guests is rather abundant right here.....there are so many other companies out there that make great rides (B&M comes to mind) but they are so expensive...so here's what I think....CP got what they paid for and in the end it's going to cost them more money and the loss of guests at the gates.

But neither MF or TTD was cheap...

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greatwhitenorth said:
When MF was built in 1999-2000, it had a restraint design that fit most adults and everyone believed was safe. Unfortunately the restraint system failed (cost a life at S:RoS), so obviously, it wasn't safe enough. The re-designed restraint is safer, but won't fit a significant chunk of the park-visiting population. That's unfortunate, but it's something everyone (guests, CP and Intamin) will just have to deal with.

To everyone who is trying to lose some weight, I wish you the best of luck. (I went from 42" to 37" last season -- it wasn't easy.) To those of you who won't fit the mold, you have my sympathy, but I think we all agree that when you ride, you should be safe. There are plent of other coasters out there, so go have fun.

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This post is so full of holes it's pathetic.

The Restraint was safe for anyone who could get the bar down on their thighs period. The restraint on the SFNE did not fail it was left in a unsafe too high possition after he was made to switch seats. This was all further complicated by the fact the rider had dissabilitys making him unable to 1. make sure himself he was properly secured, and 2. unable to hold himself in.

There are three other cases with that restraint of people ejected and if I had to guess all of them left the station not secured properly.

If you ask me, The correct cure for this would be a Phantoms revenge type bar that has a either locked or non possition and sensor. If it isn't down over the upper thighs, then NO GO.

A expert, Not am I, Ride yourself safely.

Chuck

Sure thing Yoda ;).

Superman: The Escape had that light for lab restraints as well last month, IIRC.

So, this was done last year. I went in August, the restraints had been modified by that point, correct? Because I have a 37-38 inch waist, and was comfortable on Milly.

I think if six flags were better at checking there riders no one would of fell out of anything and we all would be happy now. I think they should think of something to do about it because 20% of the riding public wont beable to ride much of anything at CP. I here stories that people are turned away at Blue Streak, Mean Streak, Wicked Twister, MF, TTD, The only thing we'll beable to ride will be the Magnum and the Gemeni, and Corkscrew

The reason the seat belts are tighter has nothing to do with the lap bars. It has everything to do with ensuring riders remain on the train in the event of total lap-bar failure.

Am I the only person who read the incident report for S:RoS? Yes, the lap bar was not secured tight against the riders thighs. Yes, the ride op didn't properly check the lap bar. But the report also said that the seat-belt should have secured the rider and it obviously did not. He slid right through and the rest is history.

The most productive thing enthusiasts can do is ask CP to get more accomodating trains or seats. This will take time and money, but if enough people ask nicely, CP will get it done.

once again, Hasn't the seatbelt already been proven a non restraint? If the bar don't work, your body straightens (NO MATTER HOW TIGHT THE BELT IS) Maybe if your lucky it will catch your foot.

Asking nicely would be to spend my money at CP for a day on reasonably accomidating rides

Asking inpolitely would be not visiting because of failure to do so.

Chuck, Inpolitely telling CP to fix it if they want buisness.

Well, that does it. I am TOTALLY sucking it in and maybe even wearing a girdle. ;)

I have about a 36" waist and I fit fine on both Millennium Force and TTD yesterday. Although, there wasn't much slack in the MF belt, I'd say it would be hard for a person with a 40" waist to fit. Dragster has slightly longer seatbelts.

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Touchdown said:
I am talking about sueing Intamin over the fact that TTD allways breaks down (it was down most of the day yesterday due to multiple rollbacks)

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I only saw one rollback on TTD all day monday, so I had hoped they had finally figured it out. The line was actually under 25 minutes and the trains were launching very regularly. Raptor actually broke down more times than the Dragster! But having an entire month where Dragster was down in '03 might just be grounds for sueing.

Different question here, is Storm Runner like Xcelerator as far as seatbelts and other things? I was able to just fit on Xcelerator back in November and was just wondering if the restraints are like Storm Runner and if I would have a problem.

Greatwhitenorth do you honestly think the seat belts are going to keep you in in an event of a failure? You cant be serious.

Think about car crashes, people who only have a waist belt on allways end up hitting their head on the ceiling (and if they are in the front seat the windshield). Thats because while they are great at stoping forward motion, but they dont stop your vertical movement. Thats why most car seats have the diagonal belt.

And if you still dont believe us, look up the original threads generated on this site last year about this; you are simply wrong.

Also, not sure if this was mentioned, but you have to take in to effect Newtons Laws of Gravity. "Once in motion stay in motion until a object stops you" <- summary of one of the laws. Now if in the event of a coaster crash your body will move foward, but also internal moves, even after you hit an object (the ground). The internal movement caused by coasters will remain moving, which can kill you depending on the circumstances of the crash. (this applies to everything, especially car crashes.

So tell me again how this seat belt is safe?

Doesn't the lapbar have a line on it that shows if the bar isn't all the way down? I seem to remember having no problem with the belt on Xcelerator but on one ride I had my camera on my belt and it caused the lap bar not to go down all the way and they said the bar had to go past the line. After a little adjustment, it was fine. If the ops are checking this line, shouldn't the restraints be safe on that alone?

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greatwhitenorth said:
Am I the only person who read the incident report for S:RoS? But the report also said that the seat-belt should have secured the rider and it obviously did not.

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It also said that the belt lengths varied wildly and were not to spec. That was never an issue with Millennium Force.