another clone wave?

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Olsor said:

Then again, as SFMM, SFGAdv and SFGAm recently demonstrated, the parking lot works just fine in these situations.

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In GAm's case, the lot of an old headbanger...

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Apunahasapinapetilan said:
Look at Steel Dragon, at a small park spent 50 million on SD2K. I think CP could have spent a few more million.
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Sandusky isn't prone to earthquakes and tidal waves. Silly things like that tend to increase the cost of really big things considerably. I'm sure that if something comparable to TTD were built in Japan, its cost would reflect the increased need for structural safety from natural disasters.

I'd rather not spend the money it'd take to get me to So. Cal. to ride things like 'X', so I'm all for cloning it all over the place.

Disney, Universal, Six Flags, Paramount *and* Cedar Fair all clone rides.

When the Magic Kingdom opened in 1971, the guests complained that Pirates of the Caribbean hadn't been cloned at the new park.

My, how things have changed.

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--Maddie--
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I waited for 7.5 hours through four tornado warnings and all I have to show for it is this lousy kiddie coaster credit.

Everyone always says that the average customer to parks doesnt care about clones. I personally dont have that much of a problem with it either, a new rollercoaster is just that, a new rollercoaster!

But, I have known many people to have heard me mentioning the fact that more than one Deja Vu, Batman: The Ride, and Serial Thriller exist in America and say that it disappointed them.

Also, when Superman: Ultimate Flight was announced, I talked about Superman Krypton Coaster, and a couple of my friends were sad to hear even another Superman coaster existed.

Whether or not it affects the decision of the GP to visit a park, cloning and ride name similarities do in fact agravate and annoy some of them.

A park in japan ripped off raptor. It wasnt cedar point who cloned it. And all vekoma SLCs are clones unless they are custom built. But i do agree with cloning, i have no problem with it.

*** This post was edited by Immelman 7/9/2003 7:40:26 PM ***

Nobody said anything about Raptor. He was probably referring to Wildcat.

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if you refer to page one of this thread you will see they do talk about raptor. and yes they do talk about wildcat too.

Chang at Six Flags kentucky kingdom is an exact copy of mantis at Cedar Point only with one more inversion. and it drops to the left not to the right.

Their second halves are entirely different. They're not clones.

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What do I Listen-To?
I waited for 7.5 hours through four tornado warnings and all I have to show for it is this lousy kiddie coaster credit.

I am kinda split on this one. While I think Cloning is great for those that just want to ride some of the best coasters out there without traveling all over. I think it takes away from the feeling of hey I rode this and it's the only one like it anywhere.
Also I think that part of riding a rollercoaster is the atmosphere and that changes with every park you go to. So if a ride is an exact duplicate of a ride but the atmosphere at the park sucks then would that make that ride worse then if it were at a park with a great atmosphere?

By the way I agree CF needs to build something else beside an intamin

Look how many Vekoma boomerang coasters there are... people still ride those.

And I don't mind when parks clone things... most people I know don't know what an SLC is, but the do know that if we have a Batman, why would they go to another park with a Batman? I think names are a bigger influence on the traveling GP, not ride type. I think CF knows this, they don't use the same names on a lot of rides like Paramount and Six Flags do.

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How can a park's atmophere change if it's full of clones? Nobody but you knows that they're clones! Maybe you view the park differently, but the atmosphere itself is not affected.

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True, look at Canada's Wonderland. Almost all their coasters, save Vortex, Mindbuster and Thunder Run are all clones, yet that park has one of the best "theme park" atmospheres out there.

I personally despise clones. I rode Serial Thriller and Mind Eraser at SFWoA and I thought they were good rides when they first opened. But then I went to SFDL and rode the Mind Eraser and Boomerang: Coast to Coaster. I was really dissapointed that there were coasters out there that were just plopped at any park to add another coaster to their list. The whole reason people travel around is to ride Differnt coasters with unique elements on each. Riding the same coaster all the time tends to get boring after a while.

Besides how original is your park if all your rides are stolen from another park? Roller coasters just aren't as exciting if they can be found anywhere. It's like collecting baseball cards. How valuable is a card if everyone has it?

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Antuan said:
True, look at Canada's Wonderland. Almost all their coasters, save Vortex, Mindbuster and Thunder Run are all clones, yet that park has one of the best "theme park" atmospheres out there.

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I thought Vortex was a clone of Kings Island's Top Gun. It was discussed a week or two ago.

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What do I Listen-To?
I waited for 7.5 hours through four tornado warnings and all I have to show for it is this lousy kiddie coaster credit.

I've been around a decent amount of boomerang coasters, and I can assure you that enthusiasts are the only ones that whine about 'em.

Leave your thoughts about clones behind, and just think about the ride for a second. It features a steep backwards lift, and you don't know when you are going to be plunged forward. Then the train goes through a boomerang-vertical loop combo, which looks very impressive to the average park goer. After that, the train gets slowly pulled up the second lift, and then sends the train through the course backwards! The GP thinks that a coaster going backwards is quite a novelty.

Aside from the fact that they are somewhat rough, my opinion is that boomerang coasters offer an impressive ride for a small footprint and price tag.

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I was at Hershey about a month ago and the Sidewinder (Boomerang, which has been around for at least 10 years now) was drawing crowds bigger than GB, LR, and Wildcat. People were raving about it.

So why would people travel around to ride clone? The real question is: Why do parks care if people don't travel around to the park?

On the other hand, I have personally been pretty disappointed with some parks that are "chock full o' clones" but I do understand that it's the best thing for the park.

Let's say it all together now: Long distance travelers make up a miniscule fraction of a parks attendance.

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