Another 4D please.................

Tuesday, February 26, 2002 8:22 PM
Can't wait to get to MM and ride X.
I really can't wait until a park announces a 4d.
When will it happen???????????
I was wondering how SF,MM,and the industry veiw this new coaster concept.
Any bites @ arrow to build another?
Does SF have plans to build/clone another.
It's driving me crazy. I must know.
Help,anyone in the know?
Jeff? Agent Johnson?

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Tuesday, February 26, 2002 9:09 PM
Arrow no longer in house fabricates their own material, X was their last. I wonder how another 4D will show up then?
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Tuesday, February 26, 2002 9:58 PM
I'm pretty sure that Arrow would just contract a steel fabrication firm to do the work that they used to do in-house.  The company ceasing in-house fabrication will have *no* affect on future purchases of the 4D coaster.

 

As has been said before, don't expect another 4D for awhile; everyone is kind of just waiting around to see how X is going to work out in the long run.

 

-Nate

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Tuesday, February 26, 2002 10:40 PM
Sorry...my crystal ball is out of order.  Anyone else got one for Coaster Bob?
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Wednesday, February 27, 2002 1:55 AM
I hardly see how handing the plans for the track pieces to the manufacturing department at Arrow is any different to handing the plans to Joe's Steel Mill, who would more than likely have better equipment and machinery than Arrow could possibly have in-house.

I say wait for X to settle down, it is new far more radically new than say the vertical loop or the hypercoaster was. However, I'd imagine that with the initial succes, Six Flags will have had a chat about more for in the future at other parks. You'd also thing other parks have seen the success of it and have also expressed interest to Arrow.

Give it 2 or 3 years yet, at least.

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Wednesday, February 27, 2002 3:32 AM

auscoasterman said:

I say wait for X to settle down


Do you mean X is going to sink just like Magnum!?! NO!!! ;)


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Wednesday, February 27, 2002 3:59 AM
Why wait?  Because Batman: The Ride (if im not mistaken) was a new Prototype when it came out, and another one debued the year after.  How do you explain that?
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Wednesday, February 27, 2002 4:36 AM
B:TR was hardly as radically different from its predecessors as X
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Wednesday, February 27, 2002 5:25 AM
I've already expressed my opinion on X a number of times.  Most fun I've ever had on a steel coaster....best steel coaster in the world....i laughed the whole time....i laughed for 10 minutes afterwards....best first drop ever....etc..., so obviously, I would like to see another built ASAP, especially one closer to me. 


THAT being said, if I were owner of a park, I would want to wait a while to see how X performs.  I want a ride as good as this in my park, for sure, but at the same time, if I'm running a very popular park, capacity is my #1 after safety.  So....we wait until the middle of the summer, and lets say X is running great.  We submit the plans, and because I'm not in the industry and this is all completely hypothetical, I have no idea how long it will take Arrow to design our ride.  (I know in the past B&M has had a waiting list of several years, just for a reference point.  I have no idea if this is still the case, or if this is even remotely close to the case with Arrow.) 


Lets be optimistic, and Arrow finishes the design and gets the steel fabricated by somebody (which is what all other steel coaster manufacturerss do, kraxle) and we get all the goods by the beginning of 2003, which I would think is optimistic as hell.  We build the ride, get out the kinks, and have it open by the middle of summer, and still get to hear ( oops, didn't know that witch with a b word was censored ) about delays on the message boards, and still get emails  saying "ARROW SUX!!!11 WI DIDN"T YOU GIT A B&M!!1  B&M ROXORS!!11"


 

I think this is all at the very earliest.  I would say realisticly the next 4D will come in 2004, although i hope its not true, and it comes earlier.  This all relies on how ballsy six flags is, though, because I'm not really factoring in any of Six Flag's options.  It would not be a huge jump for them to have a couple of 4D's in the pipeline as we speak, seeing as though they worked closely with Arrow in getting this thing built and running, so they probably know the likely-hood very well of getting one of these things built a second or third time, and getting it running.  Wasn't one of the problems with having to modifying the trains?  Well, just one little example, I would assume that the next 4D wouldn't have to go through that... 


ONE MORE THING, lol.  X is currently SFMM's signature attraction floating on top of about 3 other coasters that could be signature attractions in and of themselves.  There is a possibility that SF could let SFMM keep ahold of the 4D and not build another for a long time just to keep attention on their flag ship of the flag ship parks.  Its not like a SF park exactly needs a 4D at the moment.  There are a lot of other types of coasters to be built nowadays.  For starters, there are quite a few SF parks that could use a nice new woodie, and there's this whole B&M flyer business....
I guess that's just a lot of stuff to think about it. 
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Wednesday, February 27, 2002 5:54 AM
With X being a hit, I think more parks would consider the ride, but like a few other people on here, I think they are going to wait and see if the kinks are worked out.

  I wonder how long it will be before we see the debut of a 4D-like coaster from another manufacture? I know of one company that is currently working on something similar and talked about it at IAAPA, but hasn't released any other plans for it. 

 I could easily see B&M getting in on something similar also within the next few years.

-Sean

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Wednesday, February 27, 2002 6:26 AM
I'm no SF exc, but if those B&M flyers open up mostly trouble free, that's what I would order more of. Having said that, the capacity disaster of Stealth didn't stop SF from buying not one but two Vekoma FD, with some modifications of course. Yet the capacity didn't improve all that much. So SF doesn't have the greastest history with high capacity coasters lately anyway.

I'm disappointed with the stories of 3-4 hours waits, but I'm also smart enough to factor in that this is not just a prototype in terms of idea, but also a brand new train design, track design, restraint design and control panel configuration.

So if I'm smart enough to realize this, I'm sure other park owners are as well. So it just makes common sense to wait a year before commiting to another one.

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Wednesday, February 27, 2002 6:30 AM
I don't doubt it's a good ride, but I get the distinct impression that it's really expensive. I don't care how good the ride is, that's always an issue. The fact that (apparently) X is running one train most of the time doesn't help.

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Wednesday, February 27, 2002 6:35 AM
I haven't heard one way or the other if X is running 2 trains or one train most of the time, because I don't think anybody has been at the park most of the time.  I do know that when I was there, it ran with 2 trains just about all day with about a 2 hour downtime a little after noon.  I'd be really interested to know how much of the time they are actually running 2 trains as a hard fact, but of course we would never get anything like that from the park (not that we should.)
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Wednesday, February 27, 2002 6:46 AM
Apparently, Train #2 had problems with the restraints locking up, so it was removed over the weekend. So what do you do? Run 1 train, or close the ride altogether?
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Wednesday, February 27, 2002 7:12 AM

Comatose said:
B:TR was hardly as radically different from its predecessors as X

B:TR also opened on time and operated problem-free (with *both* trains) from day one.  Like I said, I'm pretty sure parks are at least going to wait to see if X can get up to running at full capacity before signing a deal with Arrow.  That, and I'm sure Arrow's previous history *is* a factor; I don't think it's out of the question to think that some parks are waiting to see if X is going to stay smooth.
 
-Nate

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Wednesday, February 27, 2002 8:59 AM
ok ive seen the b&m drawings B&M of a 4d coaster the track layout was almost the same as x but the cars are totaly diffrent and since B&M has design's or the cars already i dont see why there wont be a B&M 4d coaster out whith in the next year or so .
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Wednesday, February 27, 2002 9:00 AM
sorry for the errors in the post im in a rush = )
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Wednesday, February 27, 2002 9:30 AM
n/m

*** This post was edited by Chris Godsey on 3/1/2002. ***

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Wednesday, February 27, 2002 10:10 AM

Chris Godsey said:
There is your Crystal Ball... Any questions

You supposedly have all of these inside sources and inside information.  Why divulge so much of it to us?

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Wednesday, February 27, 2002 10:11 AM

Jeff said:
The fact that (apparently) X is running one train most of the time doesn't help.

I also bet they don't like that they have to butcher a 3rd train to get one or two working.  If I ordered a 3 train coaster, I'd want a 3 train op!

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