An argument for racers to count as two

Wednesday, April 24, 2002 1:03 PM
I know many of you dont count your coasters and some do. But there has been a long standing argument about whether Racing/Dueling coasters should count as one or two. Here is my thought...

It seems the main purpose of counting your coasters is as a bragging right.... I rode more than you !! And part of being able to claim more coasters in your track record is having the money, time, and the ability to ride more. If you go to a park and dont have the time to ride a coaster or you dont have the ability because it is closed... then you dont count it. The same should go for racing/dueling. If you take the time and have the ability to ride another coaster then it should be counted. If you dont ride it, you should not be given the same credit as a person who did.

This is from someone who doesnt count coasters nor cares if people do or dont.


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Wednesday, April 24, 2002 1:07 PM
If the layouts follow different courses like Dueling Dragons and Gwazi, then the ride counts as two coasters, but when your side by side the entire ride the entire ride or going thru the exact same elements, then it counts as one. If you want to use a smaller example, ask this question. Does Batman & Robin:The Chiller count as one coaster or two?
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Wednesday, April 24, 2002 1:16 PM
But dont you think if someone takes the time to ride both, then they deserve more credit than someone who didnt ?


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Wednesday, April 24, 2002 1:40 PM

jdancisin said:

It seems the main purpose of counting your coasters is as a bragging right.... I rode more than you !! And part of being able to claim more coasters in your track record is having the money, time, and the ability to ride more.

That might be for some people but the reason I have a track record is for myself. I do know others that are always checking up on my track record and a few friends also challenge it. It has nothing to do about bragging for me.

Personally, I count Racing coasters as 1, and dueling coasters as two. This is the way I count them and I don't expect everyone or anyone to agree, but just like with my track record, I do this because I can. I do it for myself. Not to inflate a count or to brag. Remember, just because someone may have more coasters on their track record doesn't mean they know any more about coasters than even someone that has only ridden 5 or so.

-Sean


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Wednesday, April 24, 2002 1:50 PM

So when I am standing in the station of Racers at PKI, my eyes are fooling me and I don't see two coasters? Well if your gonna be that way then why the heck do you count Boomerangs and SLC clones as different rides? They are all exactly the same.

Coasterman Mike

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Wednesday, April 24, 2002 2:12 PM
I also count racers as one, but if one side is different I count 2. American Eagle is a good example, not because it's backwards now, but because one side is drastically different in design. But Gemini, KI's Racer and recaR, Thunder Road, etc. are all 1's in my book. Then there's that little voice in my head that says "but Brad, they are still two separate rides!"....ugh. The trying times of being a coaster nut!

This can also be thrown at counting the dark rides that are really mad meece with theming. The one at Camden Park is a perfect example. If it holds the properties of a coaster, I feel it should be counted. Now, counting flumes since they rely on a lift and gravity is a bit far.....I simply don't see a difference between a Pretzel dark ride and a coaster that is heavily themed.
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Wednesday, April 24, 2002 2:22 PM

For me it depends on the superstructure. Rides like Dueling Dragons are 2 seperate rides that pretty much only share a life structure.

I would also coun't coasters like this: http://www.coastergallery.com/japan/N32.html and Space Mountain in FL as 2. If there was 100 feet between the 2 coasters there would be no debate, but at what point does proximity make them one coaster? (This should start some arguments!)

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Wednesday, April 24, 2002 2:30 PM
I think that Racing coasters should count as 2 coasters, they run on 2 seperate tracks, but what about S:TE would that also count as 2?
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Wednesday, April 24, 2002 2:40 PM
Do the parks name their Racing coasters as two? No you'll see King Island Racer, Rebell Yell, Collossus, Gemeni. Do parks name their dueling coasters as two? Yes, you'll see Gwazi-Lion side and Tiger side, Dueling Dragons-Fire and Ice, Lightning Racer-Thunder and Lightning, Twisted Sisters(Twins)-Lola and Stella. Notice when the tracks follow two different layouts the park gives each track its own name. IF the the park says it is one then it is one. IF the park says it is two then it is two.
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Wednesday, April 24, 2002 2:46 PM

I personally count twin coasters as 2 if they differ by being more than just mirror images. If the profile or layout are substantially different, I figure that they are different coasters. I can also sympathize with those who count mirror images as 2 coasters. After all, if you count clones in different parks as 2 coasters, why not count them when they are side by side.

Then the Racer at Kennywood really confuses things with its continuous 2 lap track. I've only ridden 1 side. Do I count it as 1 coaster, or do I count it as half a coaster? When I've ridden the other side do I count it as 1 or 2 coasters?

Who really cares how the other guy counts them?

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Wednesday, April 24, 2002 4:41 PM
I think it's one. They are marketed, designed, themed, as one and placed in the park as one and have one entrance. thus, I count as one coaster.

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Wednesday, April 24, 2002 5:30 PM
My rule is to let rcdb be my guide. They all count as one coaster. Parks count them as one also, so I do too. If you wanted to count racers or dueling coasters as two, I suppose you would count Racer at Kennywood as 2(half coasters)?
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Wednesday, April 24, 2002 5:34 PM
If they have 2 different layouts like Lightning Racer at Hershey Park, I count it as 2 coasters. If they race side by side with the same layout, I count it as 1
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Wednesday, April 24, 2002 5:53 PM
I count Racer at Kennywood as one coaster since it is really one track. I coult Racer at PKI as two because they are different rides in ones eyes. If both were fowards I would have it as one but I think fowards/backwards are 2 completly different rides. I do coult dueling coasters :Gwazi,Dueling Dragons, Lighting Racer different coasters

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Wednesday, April 24, 2002 5:57 PM

Although they are two different tracks i still count them as one. The way i see it is if it shares the same station it should be considered as one. IMO

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Wednesday, April 24, 2002 6:07 PM
Sean F gets it.

Jim Fisher gets it.

I know I get it.

Yet most everyone else here seems to be spouting their methods as the ONLY way to count, as if anyone who counts differently is an idiot.

There are NO RULES on how to count coasters, be they single track, clones, dueling coasters, racing coasters, etc. Its up to each individual to count how they see fit. Its also up to everyone to RESPECT how each person counts, even if its different from how you count. Just because something is "obvious" to you doesn't mean others see it that way.

I can't believe we're having this discussion yet again.

*** This post was edited by Mamoosh on 4/24/2002. ***

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Wednesday, April 24, 2002 8:13 PM
I can't either....but I think I got it too! There is no wrong answer here.....nothing to lose sleep over.
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Wednesday, April 24, 2002 8:13 PM
Superman The Escape--two coasters? Wow, I never thought of that. That's a whole new thing to ponder. :-)
Here's another one to ponder....Mister Freeze and it's switch track between the two loading platforms. If you get one side, your ride experience is slightly different than if you get on from the other side. By the way, that was just supposed to be a silly "think about it" and I'm not gonna argue it counts as two different rides.
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Wednesday, April 24, 2002 8:39 PM
I think rides like American Eagle at SFGAm that split up after the first drop should be counted as two, but rides like Gemini at Cedar Point that are together almost the whole time should be counted as 1.

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Wednesday, April 24, 2002 8:45 PM
They are 1 coaster in my book, they don't have two names do they? Anyway count them however you want, I count them as one. BTW If you are really that hard up to up your coaster count you can add a coaster twice on your track record. If I go with the two deal I have rode 60 coasters wow a whole 4 more then my actual 56. Dueling however are two and also are set up as to in the track record.

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