Almost murder at SFGL 6/15

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Monday, June 18, 2001 7:18 AM
Well another sub-par visit to SFGL. I also wrote "Always wait atleast two weeks before going to SFGL after you go to Cedar Point" in my notepad of advice. One train operation all over "Not busy enough-only run two on Sat. and Sun." like the op from Big Dipper stated.

While everyone made a mad dash for X-Flight, Chris and I knew they would tell everyone lies and it would not be open so we headed for S:UE. We got first ride of the day in the front row. BACK SEAT IS STILL BETTER!

We then headed to Big Dipper where we waited 10 minutes instead of a walk-on because of FIVE MINUTE dispatch times and one train operation. I am a Big Dipper Freak, however, so I don't mind waiting for it. Backseat like always.

We then went to check out X-Flight. Chris whispered to me, "Watch this". I said OK. We went over to the white fence where an employee came over to us. Right when he was about to open his mouth Chris interupted:

"What's the lie today huh? Wait let me guess; mechanics cleaning up? broke down? technical difficulties?"

The employee just looked at him and said the ride wouldnt be opening for an hour. Yeah right.

We headed to Villain to see it closed. Great!

We took a ride on the carousel.

Then we went to SWO and watched the carp. I have a question. Do you think if I snuck in a fishing pole they would get mad if I went fishing off the boardwalk?

The pirate ship looks great. With a hyper being right there and my favorite type of flat ride, I will be spending most of my time there next year. We went to the aquarium (my favorite place at SWO) to get good views of SFGL. We then met up w/ my dad, brother, and his friend for an enjoyable lunch at Swampwaters. The ladies inside were very nice and enerjetic, we need to see more of that. They even gave us more meat which was very good, by the way.

We played in the nets for a while. I payed $.25 to look through the binoculars at the top of the nets. I saw X-Flight running with people on it so we went over there.

We qued up for our second ride of the year (first being at the commercial shoot). Everyone in line was complaining why it was so long and how much SFGL sucks. There was this guy in the station that "controlled the line". Everyone made fun of him very much and called him "Commando" or "Hitler". He would yell at people for no reason. I got a pic of him standing at his perch. When we finally got to the stairs, the ride broke down. This is when a riot almost broke out. A person fainting didn't help either. People began throwing rocks at the ride. Chris yelled "This wouldn't happen at The Point!" The op just stared down at him. So after a 30 minute delay we were the next in line.

Almost another grim day in the amusement park world:

A group of mechanics went to the other station to work on the other train. The op said "RECLINE" but the idiot hit the wrong button and the mechanics who were working on the backs on the other train almost got crushed to death. The two men who almost were killed were FURIOUS! It looked like they were gonna kill the idiots working the ride.

Well after a good 1 hour 45 minutes, we got on the ride in row three. It wasn't as good as I remembered and I thought back was much better.

We then left the park after taking an awesome back seat ride on the best ride in the park: Batman. We only waited 15 minutes which was unbelievable.

Chris said he didn't want to come back to SFGL for a long time. He said if they run THREE trains at Corkscrew at Cedar Point, they can run three anywhere else. My parent didn't enjoy the employees there. They said they were all snotty except for over at Swampwater Jack's. Well I know Chris and I learned our lesson of going to SFGL a day after Cedar Point.

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Monday, June 18, 2001 8:07 AM
It sounds like you Ohio people are a bunch of spoiled people, and I'm not just talking about the rides you have. Clearly if the employees are snotty and rude than this behavior is being learned at home. I though the midwest had better "values" but I guess I'm wrong. Sure they have 3 trains running on Corkscrew but that's because the lines were ridicously long at CP when I was there, and some of the long lines were for mediocre coasters at best. I will agree that operations do need improvment at SFWOA though.
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Monday, June 18, 2001 8:10 AM
Intamin Fan:And the point of your response was because.....?

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Monday, June 18, 2001 8:11 AM
Intamin Fan, you are opening a can of worms. There are a lot of Ohio folks here, including your Web master.
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Monday, June 18, 2001 8:31 AM
It has nothing to do with Ohio. See: Good times at CP and PKI.

This is strictly a management issue. The Park Formerly Known as Geauga Lake is poorly managed. That's all it is. It would be in Six Flags' best interest to bring in new people who know how to run a park and can the people doing it now.

The Villain closures really irritate me. If you have a signature ride not operating, you should have people on it night and day nursing it back to health. The other two of the big three Ohio parks do just that. I can't say I've seen a day-long closure on any of the PKI or CP rides in a very long time (with the exception of SOB last year, but we now have litigation indicating it might not have been the park's fault).

The lines are often long at Cedar Point, sure, but at least they keep moving.

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Jeff (who did not see even one of the 68 rides at Cedar Point closed yesterday, or the last time he was there)
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Monday, June 18, 2001 8:32 AM
Yeah, but his comment is vaild, I will quote the TR

"This is when a riot almost broke out. A person fainting didn't help either. People began throwing rocks at the ride."


I think its fair to assume that those 'rowdy' people were from Ohio. I didnt see activity like that around Batwing, even with a 2.5hr wait w/ one train...
lata,
jeremy
-- and they call SFA "The Ghetto"....
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Monday, June 18, 2001 8:44 AM
That's just the clientele of the park, I think. Again, see the other two parks. It's not an Ohio phenomenon at all. When you give away season passes and have a mini-van drive to drop off your kids, I'm not surprised.

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Jeff (who wonders what the county sheriff deputies actually do there other than stare at every rump shaker that goes by in tight shorts)
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Monday, June 18, 2001 10:16 AM
You would never see people like that at PKI or the Point. I've never seen a fight break out or even angry people at either park. Big smiles on everyone's faces. I think the operation at SFWoA just pisses people off after a long period of time during the visit and can't accept how bad the operations can get there. I would be pissed too if my day was like that. Luckily, I had a good visit last year, but I can definitely believe everything that you're saying. And the last time I've seen PKI or CP have a ride closed or not run at full capacity unless there are certain problems that prevent this was...never! So, no, it's not an Ohio problem. And it's not a Six Flags problem. It's a SFWoA problem. Which needs to be greatly improved before we make another trip(not once yet in 2001, but we've made 3 trips to Holiday World, which is even further away from us). That shows that you need more than coasters just sitting there to make a great park.

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Monday, June 18, 2001 9:03 PM
I've said it before things didn't go as smoothly on my first day at CP as some people would have you believe always happens. The Wildcat broke in the morning, but did reopen later in the day. One Turbo Drop tower was down I believe all day and later on that evening the second Turbo Drop tower went down. They did come out to fix it however (and man does that look scary), but it never reopened until the next day.
I'm sorry but if employees are being rude and snotty, where are they learning this behavior? At home or from their peers. I stand by my statement. If it's the management like Jeff suggests that doesn't mean the employee has to act that way. I've worked for some managers that were rude to customers, but I never did that because my parents taught me to respect other people. I will agree that things could be a lot better though at SFWOA.
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Monday, June 18, 2001 9:44 PM

ChristopherPeeper said:
" We then went to check out X-Flight. Chris whispered to me, "Watch this". I said OK. We went over to the white fence where an employee came over to us. Right when he was about to open his mouth Chris interupted:

"What's the lie today huh? Wait let me guess; mechanics cleaning up? broke down? technical difficulties?"

The employee just looked at him and said the ride wouldnt be opening for an hour. Yeah right.

We qued up for our second ride of the year (first being at the commercial shoot). Everyone in line was complaining why it was so long and how much SFGL sucks. There was this guy in the station that "controlled the line". Everyone made fun of him very much and called him "Commando" or "Hitler". He would yell at people for no reason. I got a pic of him standing at his perch. When we finally got to the stairs, the ride broke down. This is when a riot almost broke out. A person fainting didn't help either. People began throwing rocks at the ride. Chris yelled "This wouldn't happen at The Point!" The op just stared down at him. So after a 30 minute delay we were the next in line. "



You think that snide, accusational attitude your friend Chris used on the poor X-Flight attendant
is OK, huh? Well it's people like your buddy Chris
that make the operators HATE their jobs. Ever
hear the phrase, Do unto others as you would
like done unto you?''

LOL! That Commando/Hitler comment reminds me very much of my visit to Cedar Point last August...
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Tuesday, June 19, 2001 2:28 PM
This trip report is obviously total BS. What is it that Jeff says all the time? Oh yeah. Don't feed the trolls!
*** This post was edited by G-Money on 6/19/2001. ***
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Tuesday, June 19, 2001 2:47 PM
You, my friend are a fool.

Do you really think I have time to make up stuff like that? I take offense to you calling me a "troll". If you think I am such a troll, then you are calling everybody that replyed "feeders". Total BS. Yeah right moron.

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Tuesday, June 19, 2001 3:21 PM
Hi,I'm Chris. Just so you know, I have wonderful parents that have taught me manners. However I appologize, but I can remember being lied to 10 hours total in 2 visits (7 hours of constant lieing at the Friday commercial shoot). Maybe I did say things that I could've gone by without saying, but they have A LOT of work to do there. One thing Mike forgot to add was that a lady at a empty stand refused to give him a simple cup of water on a hot day like last Friday, AFTER she had just given me a cup. What is the point in that. So maybe they should take that do unto others comment. It was just a really unpleasant time, and that's all I have to say about it.
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Tuesday, June 19, 2001 3:47 PM
I don't recall crying over a 2 hour wait, nor stating that in my post. I could care less about waiting for a coaster. You go to a park and expect to wait. What I hate is when you have to wait an hour due to one train op or lazy ops/slow dispatch that could result in 15 min or walk-on.

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Mike, who decided the max he would wait for The Force is 8 hours.
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Tuesday, June 19, 2001 4:01 PM
I don't know why I'm bothering to respond to this nonsense again, but tell me. If there were rocks thrown, Just where did they come from? hmmmm? I'm sure there are a ton of rocks laying around the queue line, eh? (there isn't I've been there) also why haven't we heard anything about arrests? I'm sure if people were throwing rocks the "Hitler" guy would have ejected them and they would probably be arrested. You overexaggerated too much this time you are not to be believed. If an incident this bad ocurred it would have seen the light of day somewhere else besides your trip report. If I hear this story elsewhere you'll have my humble apology, but I doubt that will happen.
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Tuesday, June 19, 2001 4:19 PM
Well if you have been in the que you would know that there is gravel in easy reach on both sides of the ques leading up to the station. Commando did infact eject the three teens who threw the rocks. I don't care if you believe me or not, because I wouldn't come online and make crap like this up. I heard some loud 'tings' on the track, turned around, and saw the three teens (who were probably a little younger than me) throw the rocks. Commando saw them, pointed them out to another crowd controller, he went to them, asked them some questions, and escorted them out of line while everyone in line laughed. I don't know what else you want to hear.

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Tuesday, June 19, 2001 5:32 PM
Ok so three (3) people threw rocks and were ejected?
Ok now you are talking about a stupid thing some stupid kids did. You made it sound like mayhem.
You said a "riot" almost broke out and "people began throwing rocks at the ride" You made it sound like a major event. I call that exaggerating. And guess what, kids act stupid everywhere, even at The Point! I am getting sick of this SFWoA bashing for stuff that's out of the park's control. People get rowdy... people get ejected it happens all the time at EVERY major park in the world. You made it into another reason to bash SFWoA. That was my beef with the TR.
As for the rude and uncalled for treatment of an employee by your friend I'll just let that speak for itself...
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Wednesday, June 20, 2001 8:44 AM
g-Money you could be more right. Like in another htread somebody was comnplaining about everybody running through the gates at SF when the open them to get to X-Flight. But if it happens at CP, it is no big deal!

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Wednesday, June 20, 2001 9:06 AM
g-money you really defend sfwoa till the death dont you. what makes this park soo special to you.
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Wednesday, June 20, 2001 9:17 AM
Listening to all of this, I would have to agree with G-Money's comments.

Three kids throwing rocks was described as nearly a riot.

As far as your friend being treated rudely... well... when I read what you said he said ("What's the lie today huh? Wait let me guess; mechanics cleaning up? broke down? technical difficulties?") after saying "Watch this"... that sounds to me like someone trying to stir something up.

Never being to a Six Flags park (and having very little desire to go) I certianly have no loyality to them. However, as with another TR a few days ago, there is a little too much "CP does it this way" / "This doesn't happen at CP" tone to this TR to make it very objective.

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"I wasn't always this cynical, but then I started kindergarden..."
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