All disney resorts now smoke free.

I think the policy Disney is implementing here is partly wrong.

I am a non smoker and allergic to cigarette smoke so it bothers me when I am in enclosed spaces with smokers. When I travel I have to make sure I get a non smoking room and if I walk into the room and notice lingering odor from smoking I go back to the desk and make sure to get my room changed.

But outside I can handle smoke better. I like the parks that have the designated smoking areas and make sure to inform my friends of the park rules when we go.

I believe smoking can be allowed in designated areas either in the parks or near the hotels but with a buffer area. I know the NJ smoking in public buildings law has a distance from the building you need to be. Maybe this is the answer make the smoking areas a certain distance from the buildings of the resorts and in slightly out of the way areas in the parks.

Oh and if you don't like their rules just stay off disney property. When I went in March I stayed right off Disney property and had no problem with the short drive to the parks. *** Edited 5/2/2007 2:23:59 PM UTC by dragonoffrost***

I'm still waiting for proof of these changes.

First Illinois becoming a smoke free state and now Disney World. Things are changing so everyone better quit now or you will start being kicked out at alot of places. Remember Disney World is the place that starts it and within 5 Years everyone follows. So stop now so you are used to it by the time everyone follows.

Touchdown,

How is smoking outside in a designated area away from everyone else a danger to anyone except that smoker?

THAT is the core of the issue here, IMO.

^Ok then we clearly are not on the same page. I have no problem with those. I also have no problem with smoking rooms in hotels (provided they are not my room or the smell creeps into my room) and can see why Disney decided to remove them. I didnt realize they arent allowing outdoor smoking areas.

Good thing for the tobacco states that we have no problems with EXPORTING tobacco. Pretty soon it'll be illegal to smoke within US borders. ;)

Guys, I think some of you have gone off the deep end. The Orlando Sentinel has an article with the details.

The resorts are adopting the same rules as the theme parks: designated outdoor smoking locations. The theme parks keep their designated locations.

So, it's not as if smoking is banned property-wide. There will be no smoking-optional rooms, and that includes balconies. *** Edited 5/2/2007 4:09:25 PM UTC by Brian Noble***

I knew Disney wasn't that stupid.

Gone off the deep end? It doesn't help that the original post gave incorrect information.

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All Marriott hotels made this same move 7 months ago.

Well, I'm glad I read through the entire thread first.

I can understand the non-smoker's point of view, but it's difficult enough to get my husband to go to a park with me that has designated smoking areas, it would be impossible to get him to go on a trip where we'd spend a week at a resort that is non-smoking entirely.

It's still a pain in the ass to head outside every time you want a cigarette - especially in bigger hotels or from higher floors.

But whatever. Just like the anything, if I don't like it, I go elsewhere.

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Jeff said:
No one has a right to smoke on private property.

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Good answer. Shows I can agree with Jeff from time to time ;)

I'm a non-smoker so I guess I'm predetermined to like this. Then again, I was someone who actually wasn't crazy about the idea of forcing people to stop smoking in bars here in NJ- it didn't seem right to me. Now I'm used to the idea- that, and what Jeff just said.

I do feel bad for those people that want a smoking room and won't be able to get one, but I place the blame on the hotels for their policy on reserving non-smoking rooms. I always request a non-smoking room when I travel and there have been plenty of times when I was given a smoking room because, "requesting a non-smoking room doesn't guarantee a non-smoking room." At least that's what the hotels always tell me. How that manages to be the case, I have no idea. If you know how many smoking and non-smoking rooms you have and you ask people what they want when they reserve, a hotel should always know whether or not they'll be able to honor your request.

This sucks for the smokers but non-smoking hotels are great for the non-smokers because there's no chance they'll get stuck in a room that smells like an ashtray when they specifically asked not to be.

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If you know how many smoking and non-smoking rooms you have and you ask people what they want when they reserve, a hotel should always know whether or not they'll be able to honor your request.

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I can explain that one for you. :)

I'm going to dumb it down with little numbers for ease of explaning.

Say a hotel has 6 non-smoking rooms and 3 smoking. The night before you check in all 6 non smoking rooms are full and 1 smoking room is. 4 non-smoking rooms are expected to vacate and the hotel took reservations for 4 non-smoking rooms. But one of those guest decided to stay an extra night - which is their right, they were there first.

Now you have only 3 open non-smoking rooms and 2 open smoking rooms, but 4 reservations coming in for non-smoking rooms. Something has to give. The last person in gets a smoking room.

That's just one way it happens. The other ways it could happen involve walk-ins, no-shows and stuff like that and get a little more complicated, but it's the same basic idea.

And it also accounts for reasons you don't get the right room type, bed type, view or whatever.

You should also note that things like 'king bed' or 'non-smoking' are just requests and not guarantees and most places make this pretty clear.

(suddenly, I'm the friggin' hotel expert ;) )

You've always been the hotel expert.

I find it funny that most of the smokers I know will bitch and moan everytime they are further limited smoking somewhere other than home but they won't smoke in their own homes. I find it even funnier that those in St Paul who were complaining right before they banned smoking in bars now don't like going to bars just outside of St Paul because they are too smokey. It may seem harsh to smokers now, but they will learn to like it. *** Edited 5/2/2007 6:16:50 PM UTC by RavenTTD***

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Lord Gonchar said:

I can explain that one for you.

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Somehow I figured you would ;)

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Say a hotel has 6 non-smoking rooms and 3 smoking. The night before you check in all 6 non smoking rooms are full and 1 smoking room is. 4 non-smoking rooms are expected to vacate and the hotel took reservations for 4 non-smoking rooms. But one of those guest decided to stay an extra night - which is their right, they were there first.

Now you have only 3 open non-smoking rooms and 2 open smoking rooms, but 4 reservations coming in for non-smoking rooms. Something has to give. The last person in gets a smoking room.

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I understand what you're saying... kinda. I've been to hotels in the past where I needed an extra night or two but was told the place was sold out and that I'd have to check out according to my original reservation. Since a hotel can do that, why can't they tell the person spending an extra night that they can't stay in their non-smoking room? After all, according to someone else's reservation, that room has been claimed so it shouldn't be available for them.

I with Rob. Surely reservations trump "those already there" in most hotels.

I really don't want to comment any further because I'm going to start crying, "it's not fair"... but it really isn't. And keep in mind I'm not debating Gonch on what really happens- I have no reason to believe he doesn't know how these things work- I'm just stating that the system is a little off.

Just as I make the effort to reserve a hotel room in advance so I can be assured it's there waiting for me when I arrive, I think hotels should make the effort to provide the room that they offer to you when you make the reservation. That seems like going to a restaurant, ordering steak from the menu and getting fish instead, just because the restaurant doesn't necessarily have to provide what they offer on the menu.

I think Disney going non-smoking will be better for everybody, except the small percentage that are smokers. I get a feeling that one day were headed for a "Demolition Man"-like scenerio.

"Everything not good for you is bad, and thus, illegal."