The Future of Coaster Height

As far as I know, top of track.

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Matt Lynch
Co-Webmaster, Kennywood Boulevard
http://kennywood.coasterbuzz.com

The few times that I have ridden the Superman at Magic Mountain, the car dosen't reach the top. I think the car only meets 300 - 350 feet. Plus, I don't think Superman the Escape count as a coaster since I value a coaster at this:
1) Gravity Based
2) Full Circuit Start to Finish

Thats only my opition though.

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Is It Opening Day Yet?

So STE ain't gravity based at all? Are you sure about that? On your second point, Deja Vu is NOT a coaster at all.

No STE is a gravity based free fall ride. The speed is completely artificial. Are Intamin freefall rides now roller coasters too? Thats what I see the amusement industry comming to then.

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Is It Opening Day Yet? *** This post was edited by Goober on 3/4/2001. ***

Well, your point should have been traditional lift hills & not gravity based.

STE - Intamin Reverse Freefall, is basically a Shuttle Loop without the loop. By your rules, Shuttle Loops are not coasters. This has been argued in another thread.

With that final note, I ain't arguing with you anymore. No hard feelings. :)

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Home Park - Wonderland Sydney, Australia.

I think the reason why STE is never considered as a coaster, is because it only has one car in the train. Like if it were an actual train then people wouldnt say anything

and I think a roller coaster is just about any thrill ride with wheels and a track.

I'm not trying to make an argument about was is and isn't a roller coaster, I was trying to get the voice of anyone about a roller coaster that reach 400 ft.

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Is It Opening Day Yet?

Have you read all the posts? That will answer your topic mate.

I also have some opinions on the whole S:TE thing. How come no one ever argues about Boomerangs or Invertigo being coasters or not? S:TE always brings up an agrument, but boomerangs and invertigos never do? Why is this? They are both powered by gravity, but they are not complete circuits, yet S:TE is the only one that ever gets argued about. I say let this all go! If the invertigos and boomerangs never get argued about, why should S:TE?

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Parks for 2000: CP, Great Escape, Great Adventure, SFA, Islands of Adventure, Kennywood

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kOrN4/8/00 said:
"I also have some opinions on the whole S:TE thing. How come no one ever argues about Boomerangs or Invertigo being coasters or not? S:TE always brings up an agrument, but boomerangs and invertigos never do? Why is this? They are both powered by gravity, but they are not complete circuits, yet S:TE is the only one that ever gets argued about. I say let this all go! If the invertigos and boomerangs never get argued about, why should S:TE?"

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Because:

1) There's no 400' boomerang.
2) There's no 100 MPH boomerang.
2) Cedar Fair never called boomerangs "thrill rides"

;)

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Matt Lynch
Co-Webmaster, Kennywood Boulevard
http://kennywood.coasterbuzz.com

Limitations on coaster height:
1)Economics - How much can a park afford to spend on a coaster as justified by increased attendance? Items 2 and 3 bleow bear on economics.
2)Structure size. The required weight of the structure goes up with the cube of the height, so build a coaster twice as tall and you need roughly 8 times as much steel.
3)Turn radius - At the speed from a 400 foot hill, the radius for a 4G turn is about 200 feet. This means the coaster will need a lot of real estate both for turns and for the pullout from the first hill. The overbanked turns on MF are a clever solution to reduce this turn radius.
4)Wind blast - At some point a little over 100 MPH we will need wind screens especially when it rains. Will riders accept the enclosed feeling?

Lynch says:

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Cedar Fair never called boomerangs "thrill rides"

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Oh, I get it. So what you are saying is whatever CF considers or doesnt consider a rollercoaster is the law of the land?
Bottom line:
SF considers it a coaster
CF doesnt consider it a coaster
WHOS RIGHT? WHOS WRONG? WHO CARES?



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"SAVING THE WORLD BEFORE BEDTIME" Powerpuff girls

I don't even think will see that many more giga coasters. There simply isn't the room at most parks and the neighbors have fought many a hypercoaster.

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Chitown said:
"Lynch says:

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Cedar Fair never called boomerangs "thrill rides"

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Oh, I get it. So what you are saying is whatever CF considers or doesnt consider a rollercoaster is the law of the land? "

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No, I didn't say that at all. What I am saying is that Cedar Fair added fuel to the fire when the said they thought of Superman: The Escape as a "thrill ride." The CF fans took that as ammo, and SFMM fans got even more defensive. If CF said they didn't think boomerangs were coasters (which they won't, since they installed one at one of their parks), a lot of people would go on the defensive like SFMM's fans did.

And so here we are today. :)

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Matt Lynch
Co-Webmaster, Kennywood Boulevard
http://kennywood.coasterbuzz.com

First off, I would like to thank Chitown for the statement he made. Who dropped and said that Cedar Point gets to have the final word? Second, Lynch, height doesn't matter, nor does speed. They are the same type of ride. They both don't have continuous circuits, yet they are both powered by gravity. The height and speed are not valid arguments when it comes to saying that invertigos and boomerangs are coasters and S:TE is not.

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Parks for 2000: CP, Great Escape, Great Adventure, SFA, Islands of Adventure, Kennywood

I never said S:TE wasn't a coaster!
I never said boomerangs and invertigos weren't coasters.
And, if you look at my last post before this, I never said CF's word was the bottom line.

Leave me alone! ;)

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Matt Lynch
Co-Webmaster, Kennywood Boulevard
http://kennywood.coasterbuzz.com

That will be a never ending battle, but Do you think that other coasters other then STE will go over 400 feet?

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Is It Opening Day Yet?