BGW is my home park, and i can tell ya Alpengeist is prety awesome, and will be for years to come. ive only been on B:TR at SfGadv as far as other BM inverts, so unfortuantly i cant make a good call. but i thought ALpie beat B:TR like crazy!! its all about the 190 foot drop guys...and that Immelman is amazing!! but, im goin to Dorney Park next month, so ill be checkin out Talon...whats it like?? ive heard its pretty good. anyways, yeah Alpie can get rough in the back...especially comin out of the cobra roll...but i agree with JEff and everyone else, the front is UNMATCHED!!!