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The fact that you love winter in NE Ohio makes you very different, I’ve lived in NE Ohio and currently live in Wisconsin. Winter is not my favorite (if I was in charge of the weather, December would be snowy, and come January the thaw and spring would start) but give me a WI winter over NE Ohio anyday. NE Ohio is subject to the “permacloud” or lake effect cloud from the Great Lakes that gives nearly perpetual grey skies from November-April. That was miserable, at least here in WI we get the sun in the winter, it may be colder, but when we have those -20 highs, it will be bright sunshine.

Here in Cleveland with this cold front that has been hanging around we have been getting a nice share of clear, blue skies... But frigid cold, obviously. This year I feel like we have had much more sun shining which has been nice.

I've found that snow sports/activities are much less enjoyable without snow. Also found that sunny/blue sky/cloudless days are much less likely to result in snow. I have friends who don't understand why I go out on Lake Erie when there are a lot of waves. But have also found that sailboats move much faster when there is wind. Wind causes waves (extended periods of time with winds out of the northeast on Lake Erie tend to result in lots of big waves). Winds out of the south can result in good sailing days on the south shores of Lake Erie without significant waves. But by in large the closer to glass the surface of Lake Erie is, the lousier the sailing experience on the lake. All of that to say that if you enjoy experiences that are better in certain weather conditions, you are less likely to find such weather conditions miserable. The opposite can be true as well. As always, different flavors of ice cream. :)

Vater:

It seems most everyone else here arguing for either side finds owning a vehicle a necessary evil, and the more conveniences that car provides, the better. Nothing wrong with that, but I feel like Jeff's first comment that kind of started this whole discussion--"Once you go electric, you'll never go back"--completely ignores one of the most basic fundamentals about being human: we like different s**t.

For what it's worth, Jeff wasn't really far off the mark:

Around the world, 92 percent of electric car drivers indicated that they would purchase another electric car as their next vehicle; four percent would opt for a plug-in hybrid if they had to replace their car tomorrow. Only one percent indicated they would return to a gasoline or diesel-powered car.
https://www.greencars.com/n...ack-to-gas

How much of that is self selection though? The people buying electric clearly thinks they fit their lifestyle. I’m glad it’s now at a point that people aren’t having regrets about it, but that is not applicable to the rest of the population due to selection bias.

There is as much self-selection that exists when you ask people who haven't seen a movie what they thought about it.

Lord Gonchar:

Simple as that. If an electric vehicle fits your needs 99% of the time and a gas one does 100% of the time, then it's completely logical.

You mean oversimplifying? It seems to me everyone else here came up with an answer for what to do with that 1%, no?

[On not worrying about fueling,] I'm also not sure this is actually the hassle for most people that you're selling it as.

It's lived experience. Interestingly, Marques brings this up in his most recent AutoFocus video. Oh, and he owns a 911, so I guess his opinion is more qualified. 🙂

Vater:
...completely ignores one of the most basic fundamentals about being human: we like different s**t.

I respect that, but to Fun's point, I didn't come up with that out of thin air. It's mostly true. Eleven years in, and I still giggle when I launch off of a red light. I still feel adrenaline when I'm already going over 60 and can instantly accelerate and overtake another car in the way. And that's all in a fairly generic production car. The whine of electric motors may not be your thing, that's cool. But the performance and the traction control and the instant torque at all speeds, that's like crack to me, and I've never been a car guy.

I have no doubt that the acceleration—and handling, with its crazy low center of gravity—is amazing. Again, I’m not against EVs at all, and my lack of desire to own one has nothing to with performance or battery life or inconvenience of charge time on long trips. It’s just a preference thing.

Also when it comes to maintenance I’ve been told that due to those fast accelerations, electric cars go through tires very quickly (and require a more expensive tire) such that the extra cost of tires chews up most of your savings on oil changes. How true is that?

EVs do go through tires quicker than ICE cars. The increased torque is one of the major reasons. The other is increased weight of EV cars. I don't know if the increased tire use eats through savings from other maintenance though. I'm more concerned about the increased micro plastic pollution from the extra tire wear. EV tires are estimated to produce 20% more micro plastic pollution than ICE vehicles.

There is one way to reduce pollution from all vehicles. Consume less. But I know that's not a popular pitch.

This is completely untrue, or at least, it is for my cars. We first replaced the tires on our (now totaled) Model 3 at about 50,000 miles. My Model Y I replaced at 30k, but only because I had three of them patched and they weren't holding air very well (I don't understand why Florida seems to have more sharp things on the road than anywhere else I've lived... including full on tire irons). My wife's Y is over 30k and the tires have quite a ways to go. The replacements I put on my car are rated for 60k, and boy are they noisy. I expect they'll outlast my ownership of the car. Now, many EV's are sold with huge wheels and extra grippy tires, but that's true for all performance cars, and shorter life is normal. If they do get to 5 years, regardless of mileage, you're supposed to take a hard look at replacing them anyway, due to dry rot, devulcanization, or whatever.

On the plus side, I don't think you ever have to replace the brakes. The totaled 3 made it to 62k miles, and the brakes were described as "like new" in the teardown.

Jeff:

This is completely untrue, or at least, it is for my cars.

Glad you added the anecdote qualifier. Because it is true, statistically--

Electric speeders are going to solve that problem.

Jeff:

You mean oversimplifying? It seems to me everyone else here came up with an answer for what to do with that 1%, no?

One man's oversimplifying is another's overcomplicating.

You saw those suggestions as solutions. I already said what I thought the room saw them as:

Lord Gonchar said (two pages ago):

Folks have given a myriad a real-world reasons it may not or does not work for them.

Where you see reasonable solutions to the shortcomings, others don't.

For me? The idea that you have to find a solution to something you just purchased to use for the very purpose you're now needing a create a solution for shouldn't be hard to empathize with, I don't think. Seems like a less than optimal purchase...for that person.

I get it.

Which is probably just a too complicated way of saying:

Vater:
...one of the most basic fundamentals about being human: we like different s**t.

Or think different ****. Or have different priorities. Or different approaches to solutions.

Mulfinator:
Consume less. But I know that's not a popular pitch.

Heh, exactly. That's always been my take. I'll put my net "footprint" up against anyone's:

Lord Gonchar:
...my argument is that I use my vehicle so little that I'd be willing to bet my ICE vehicle causes less damage to the world around us than the "average person" driving 15k miles a year in an electric. So when do I get to preach at Tesla owners for killing my planet?

It's become a virtue signal, a lifestyle indicator and a political differentiator. It's all so silly.